Kayla - Black scorpion |
moved the stealth discussion here.
the breakdown is as follows:
+3 ranks
+3 Dex
+3 class skill
+4 size
+2 shinobi shozoku
+3 circumstance - Heal ranks from Body of the Night stance
+1 uskwood hunter trait
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+19 total.
also If there are problems I will simply switch classes I really had no intention of causing any problems. (of course this will greatly change the way I play the character.)
Just remember that you guys all started with 2 master work weapons for free, and two bonus feats (Exotic weapon prof. and two-weapon fighting)
Also when not in that stance I loose the bonus (which realistically may be almost never), but as we level and I get access to other stances I may swap out from time to time.
Weon Areum |
@Kayla - I don't read the posts as anyone complaining, just as people curious. Don't change a thing; I like our little gnome the way she is!
Elliana d'Illaise |
I'm sorry I asked, I did not mean to make it seem like I was complaining or saying your numbers were wrong, I was just interested in how it was so high at such a low level, it just intrigued me. Thanks for the breakdown, I appreciate it. Interesting build. Now if you can get Hide in Plain Sight it will all come together perfectly.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I don't mind answering. and I think that is the breakdown I presented.
I only want to have a fun game. I talked a bit privately to the GM about some things before starting as well to be sure everything is good.
Hide in plain sight will require a level dip in shadowdancer and I am not sure I want to do that.
besides I am unsure if I can even stealth in the present situation. I just made the roll just in case.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I think its all good now... I have players in my tabletop game that I need to audit them every so often due to little tweeks they make.
Rakus Satash |
The whole PoW is unstable in my opinion, which I like to think is as acceptable as anyone's. Not saying Kayla is specifically. As I said I don't hold it against anyone. If I did I would have brought it up. Don't like strawberries too but I don't bring that up ether out of the blue. This time doesn't count.......really...... (>.>) don't judge my strawberry hate.
P.S. Did we get two weapon fighting for free? I thought it was only exotic weapon proficiency.
P.P.S. I may or may not have asked this before but, are we using the language rule system?
Kayla - Black scorpion |
my bad on the two weapon fighting thing I miss read and was thinking something else.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
Zaphani |
Kayla - Black scorpion wrote:I think we talked about letting the Sawtooths be Finessable without Two Weapon fighting. Its all good.my bad on the two weapon fighting thing I miss read and was thinking something else.
We did :). I'm honestly not concerned about the power level. Heck, it's a bit of a fun change of pace to do something like this.
Weon Areum |
See, I don't feel like Areum lied to anyone when she agreed to Rrriiip's terms. It was he that had asked payment for services, not the tribe that he's quite possibly gotten addicted to drugs. Areum would pay him, too, if she weren't also going to kill him. Giving him what he wanted, killing him, and then taking it back seems like an awful lot of extra hauling!
Weon Areum |
Certainly a bit deceptive so the bluff roll was appropriate, but I agree with the reasoning for sure.
Right, right. "I'm entering into a business arrangement with you" as opposed to "we're luring you out into the jungle to kill you, but only after you help us with the other dude we're trying to kill."
I don't imagine that second one would've gone over quite as well, lol!
I also wanted it out here before Rakus and Areum ended up arguing again...
Rakus Satash |
Personally I see that as skating lawful a bit. You agree to pay him, kill him, then take back your payment. Not letting it pass to his next of kin. To me that's chaotic as you never intended to honor the deal and have every intention of betraying just particular as to the matter of the order in which you do said betraying.
Rakus was very careful with his wording and fully intends to honor his word to the letter and even made it clear in the terms. Their is no betrayal or deception, only the ignorance of the other party in their understanding of the agreement. Something he has no control over, influence on, or obligation to correct.
They have whole threads on this topic, so leaving my 2cp at that. ;)
Weon Areum |
I can see that. But that's also putting our RL morality as supreme over all else. Some Native American societies, fearful that ghosts of the dead were resentful of those still living, would burn the house and possessions of the dead person, and move the family into a new dwelling. "Chaotic" in that society would be doing what you suggest, and passing the property to the next of kin.
In that same thread of history, Europeans believed that if they killed all the Native Americans, they could just take the land and possessions and do as they saw fit. And apparently, they could; in today's society that's about as Chaotic as you can get, but back then it was the definition of Lawful.
Not only that, but unlike Rakus, Areum's got that E after her L; their very deity ordered Rrriiip's death. Little else mattered but the accomplishment of that task. Who cares if a bunch of drug addict frogs in the jungle starve to death while they withdrawal? If Achaekek wanted them to keep getting drugs, he wouldn't have told us to kill him.
But yeah, alignment arguments run the gamut of extremes. I don't really want to have one either. I am curious though, because I do like trying to understand other philosophies; Rakus said he'd inquire with is superiors about the payment, never actually agreeing to it until Areum rather forced the issue. If they said no, don't do that, isn't that essentially the same as what Areum wants to do?
Rakus Satash |
Golarion has a guideline of morality which makes our own irrelevant, that's what we go by. At least I try to. Achaekek is lawful with evil as a byproduct rather then guideline for him, strangely enough the red mantis are more evil then their god, at least by my understanding and opinion. That said the red mantis never break a contract once made, a lawful attribute they mirror from their god's nature. Goes with their whole when we kill someone they stay dead policy in tow. If you hold no value or do not keep your contracts, regardless of their form, then you are not lawful in my book. But it's not my book, so I leave it at that. :)
Looks like I got sidetracked so let me get to your question. Rakus does not have the gold to get them their fire powder, when he reports Yoki and Rrriiip's death along with all the other information concerning the tribe and their addiction. He would get their promised payment, giving Rakus the ability to buy the fire powder for the tribe as promised by way of his superiors reward. Rakus keeps his word if not in the way it was presented to their understanding. If they said they did not want him to inform his superiors for whatever reason he would have used it to drive down the price or leverage in some other manner. Rakus was whittling down the deal, getting as much out of it for as little to be put in. Every detail was an opportunity and way to gauge their position.
If things had stretched out Rakus may have gotten the boggard tribe to go to war with the monkey goblins. Or maybe a patrol of the froggy's to serve as a distraction for when we assassinate Yoki. That high Int and Wis is not for nothing and he is a schemer. ;)
GM-Gathrix |
. But it's not my book, so I leave it at that. :)
You keep saying stuff like that, but never do leave it at that. So here I will give you my diatribe to match yours.
True-Red Mantis keep their contracts. Something your characters will have to learn, and have not yet as you are recruits and not full mantis.
Weather you hold true to your contract or not is yet to be determined, I think you both made promises that were specifically elusive.
No-Red Mantis are not more evil than their god, the guy known as "He who walks in blood" is pretty blatantly evil, and if his lawfulness is just a by product than I guess his followers can have it be a by product also. Inquisitors are not Clerics, they do the dirty work of their religion. I do not hold them to the same standards as a Paladin.
Rakus, If you had laid out this grand scheme in the discussion before hand with your fellow players you might have gotten more support. Doing so after just leaves all parties involved upset.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
well I for one don't really care if we keep the promise or not. I just got me a new spyglass....
correction edit: I will be getting a new spyglass....
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I am curious, who all intends to go into the Crimson Assassin prestige class?
Rakus Satash |
Unless the set up changes, Rakus does not like their chances of getting to Yoki. May have to pull back on this one and come up with something.
That said, would anyone object to another plan involving Rrriiip and his addicted tribe this time around? Cause Rakus has something in mind if the monkey goblins seem to tough to crack with only our current group. :)
Weon Areum |
I apologize for my absence; we had a bit of an emergency this week. Everything is back to normal now, and I should be good to post tomorrow morning, though I think I'd like to hear Rakus's plan before I do!
Rakus Satash |
Here is my plan for those interested.
We kill Rrriiip and return to the city to collect our reward. Use some of the money to buy shiver then return to the tribe with their payment of fish and a small taste of the drug, around a single dose. Spin a nice story of how the monkey goblins ambushed us and poor Rrriiip got killed. We also did the honorable thing and brought back his body, after all traces of our involvement have been removed by way of Rakus' sculpt corpse spell before hand, to show our respect and appreciation. In fact we are willing to help the tribe get revenge on the goblins, we will even give them more of the drug upon our victory as a farewell gift to honor Rrriiip. >:)
I am sure they could at least spare a patrol to help us avenge their comrade and teach those monkey goblins a lesson.
Weon Areum |
I'm down for that. Areum wouldn't even object to the fish, seeing it as "payment" for their lives.
The trick is to explain this to us IC, with Rrriiip right there.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I already posted an IC suggestion.
We are ready to retreat and barely even really know much about that encampment.
we are making assumptions on their strength not any actual verification. at least not that I could see.
Rakus Satash |
Little surprised no one has rolled knowledge local for the monkey goblins to give info, Rakus asked repeatedly for it. Anyways back up plans it is for him, just needs to set them in motion.
Message is a highly ignored little cantrip of great use. ;)
Kayla - Black scorpion |
is it knowledge local roll? I wasn't sure so I didn't roll.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I can make the check I guess, just gonna have to figure out something to say in character.
GM-Gathrix |
Elliana tries to call to mind what she knows about the jungles surrounding them.
Knowledge Local-1d20 + 6 ⇒ (17) + 6 = 23
Sorry Elliana I thought that was more general information, that is why I gave you that stuff about the nomadic tribes ect though I delivered it through Rrriiip since he was talking anyway.
I will give you a spoiler for it.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
I hope all is well, the game has been silent lately.
Kayla - Black scorpion |
Is this game dying, it seems almost nobody is interested still.