The Forgotten God (Table 3) (Inactive)

Game Master Rednal

Anything that's not Universal does need to be changed. The equivalent is:

Durable Powers (Su): When determining the duration of psionic powers you manifest, treat your manifester level as 4 higher. This does not affect any other variables of the power, such as range or the amount of power points you can spend augmenting the effect.

Alrighty, Harath is leveled up, i made some changes to the top fields to make things easier to see (mostly under special powers).

Also, I increased his HP/PP, but since i didn't rest, i increased the max and current total by the same amount (not replenishing wounds and PP unless you want it to ♫ding♪ full)

Congratulations on reaching Level 4! As before, please post a summary of your choices in the discussion thread - you can level up right away, and are fully refreshed (as if having rested for 8 hours) this time around.

HP/PP went up
+1 bab, +1 ref, +1 will (not choices, but still)
favored class: +1/6th of a new dread terror
Terrors: level 4 terror was replaced, so no choice there (gained Strengthened By Fear from archetype)

*Hums and keeps waiting*

ack! i didnt realize it had been so long. I had a busy week, and honestly i was dreading untangling the mess of his equipment section. I had just been copy/pasting loot in chunks as he got it, but now the bird's nest is sorted nicely into sections! whew! i feel a lot better now, haha.

It was also a holiday weekend - most people were a bit slow then. XD But yeah, hopefully it'll be easier to keep things in order from here on out?

I should probably organize my own characters' stuff by theme...

knowing me, i will continue to make the same mistake again. haha!

and yeah, i tried to do it like this for Harath since he tends to come across a greater deal of "smaller loot" than i do in other campaigns. I had no idea how many flasks of holy water or potions of cure light wounds i had squirreled away.

it is good to go back and look over everything with a fine-toothed comb from time to time. for instance, that Black Pearl... is that something I should just try to focus a power through, or will its purpose become clearer in time?

The Black Pearl is not particularly special. It's basically just a gem - but if you do end up crafting and needing a crystalline focus of some kind, it would work. ^^

The Black Pearl is not particularly special. It's basically just a gem - but if you do end up crafting and needing a crystalline focus of some kind, it would work. ^^

Ah, gotcha. I'll continue to hoard it, then. :D

Also, I've been meaning to mention this for awhile now - please format your profile so it looks like this one. ^^ If you'd like to keep a second copy of your profile in a different format, that's fine, but I prefer to have a universal format among all players in my games so that I always know where to look for a given piece of information.

alright. that is gonna take me a good amount of time, as i do not have whatever program spits it out like that

It's not a HUGE hurry - just something that'll help to have done soonish (it really DOES make a big difference for me when I'm checking things). ^^ I suggest doing it in a word editor, just to make sure you don't lose your progress.

yeah, i do it all in a notepad but it is still a huge pain to swap everything around, and that format looks like crap when i include all the descriptive text

this is my first look through the Occult Adventures, but do you think Psychic would be a better fit than Psion for Harath?

Obviously I was thinking the Dream discipline.

Or do you have any other interesting books with Dream-related stuff in them? I feel like that is woefully underrepresented in Paizo, as well as the small amount of 3pp i have looked through.

Well... it really depends on what you'd like to do with your character. ^^ Psionics definitely has more flexibility, which should not be underestimated in this game, but a Dream-based Psychic definitely has that matching flavor, which I highly encourage...

It's true that there's a minimal amount of dream stuff, mostly because the majority of campaigns involve people being awake. o_O Unless you've got a Witch in the party, at least, but dream stuff is usually relegated to dream-based adventures and whatnot, rather than being a common ability choice.

Posting from my phone, so not looking in gameplay until later.

Yeah i just kinda figured theyd have something codified for handling dream stuff, even if it was meant more for NPCs or BBEGs.

I dunno, the dream stuff seems interesting, not sure i like that i have to be next to the person sleeping to use it. I'd think youd have more freedom for contact via dreams. If i went that route I'd have to sneak into people's bedrooms to affect them, rather than sending out a broadcast.

ok, so they never answered my questions on the lonewolf boards, but there was an update to the packs and suddenly i can load the gestalt pack and the DSP pack. So, at some point in the future (likely next weekend) i can monkey with Herolab and try to make it spit out a copy of Harath. I have one other character higher than Harath in my queue, since it has to actually be leveled up not just a change of format.

A question regarding how you tend to do characters for tristalt: How do you choose which two classes to mash together, before adding the third in a word processor? any particular method, or does it not even matter?

That happens, too - sometimes, when a new version of files is released, it can invalidate old stuff and cause errors. That's almost always fixed within a day or two by ShadowChemosh, and most potential bugs have been eliminated by now anyway. ^^

As for choosing characters, I generally try to figure out if there are any abilities that would interact - say, both classes improve saves or AC or something. If they do, those're the ones that get gestalted so the system can calculate the numbers correctly. If none of that is happening, then it doesn't really matter what combo you do. I usually have the caster stuff separate, since it's less likely to have interactions, but you can do it however you like. ^^

(Incidentally, for Tristalts, I would build up the Gestalt version first, picking your feats and skill points and stuff, then duplicate it and change your classes while leaving everything else alone. It's faster and easier.)

(You can also use the Adjustments tab to change stuff like your number of PP. VERY helpful if there's anything present across all 3 classes, since you can add the effect manually.)

Yeah, I really like the adjustments tab. I built a Cleric/Warder/Battle Templar and there were some things not jiving right but i managed to fix them via that tab.

Although, I couldnt figure out why HL spit out a character sheet saying my to-hit modifier was +10, but when i hovered over it in HL, the popup said (+7 BAB +5 STR +2 weapon)...

But yeah i might just do gestalt and add the Psion stuff on there via the adjustment tab, since there is so little to that class to actually add.

hmm, gonna be a lot of adjustments... the soulknife archetype i am using isnt on there, neither is Mythic Overmind...

Overmind's probably coming in the Hero's Handbook files (which are currently being worked on). If you can't add it via adjustments - and for class abilities and whatnot, you generally can't - you just have to add them manually when exporting the profile and/or learn how to use the editor. XD

You could always inquire about the archetype and see whether or not it's being added.

FYI, i'm currently primarily posting from my cell phone, dealing with crappy Hawaii hotel wi-fi (it's like they expect me to go outside or something) for four days until i fly to a different hotel with unknown wi-fi potency for an unknown number of days.

So, while i will be posting, they will be slightly more infrequent and most typically brief.

Copy/pasted to all games.

Tourist-y places are like that, yeah. XD They want you out spending money, not relaxing inside with a TV.

Yeah it is terrible. Im used to my 300M connection not this slow-ass connection that drops every 3 minutes. I dont even watch TV i just dont wanna go outside until tomorrow, did too many errands already today

Flying tomorrow so may not post.

ack, checked this but done have time to evaluate what to do. will post again after work tomorrow

Happy Holidays, denominational or otherwise!

thing is, i find that Paizo (and pathfinder 3pp as well) does a terrible job at doing anything dream-related, and i think Dread was the only thing to touch on nightmares. So, though I am not exactly pumped about Harath's general utility (i find he has little to do but punch, though i blame my overconfidence in the combo of Dread and my enhanced fists), i can't imagine what i would change to.

It's my Birthday, so you all get 4 bonus skill points. Be sure to note when you got them and what you put them into so you don't accidentally delete them later. ^^

And yeah, Paizo's got fairly limited access to dream-based stuff. o_O Although in fairness, most adventures take place when people are awake.

Oh nice happy birthday. Doing anything fun?

I made some M&M brownies to share with family. XD

(...I have REALLY boring birthdays. Somewhat intentionally. XD I enjoy normal days the most, after all.)

Oh nice. Yeah i dont really celebrate gift-giving holidays. If my wife or i want something we usually just get it when we need it or make a plan to save for it rather than buying stuff we dont need/want on some holiday.

Though we make an exception AFTER certain holidays when candy is cheaper! Hahaha

yeah, i mean i didnt really want to do it, but I thought about it a bit. Here are some of my thoughts in no particular order and you can judge from there.

Harath is neutral, but has largely been doing what i would consider good deeds (helping people with no real stake in the outcome, getting loot here and there but hardly what i would consider princely wealth (though i havent tallied up GP value or anything, it just hardly feels princely. I could be grossly mistaken)).

Doing all these good things hardly felt "right". I mean, why would Harath really care about any of these things? people terrorized by frog-things, orcs, pirate slavers, etc. He is all about dreams and nightmares, though his investigations on those fronts didn't really get him anywhere (except killed).

Along with the above, though I didn't imagine an Erinyes could really do much for me, doing the evil thing sorta balanced the good things he has done, along with it being plausible that Vegazi died in battle.

But still, i don't feel great about it, just felt like i had to balance things out since he is neutral, just like dreams and nightmares are opposites.

dang cheap-ass erinyes.

I will get the level up done this weekend hopefully, the weekdays are too busy.

what format did you want again? monster format? those formats are impossible for me to figure out what gear i have and what things have gone into what skills. i will try to do it

Well, she is evil. XD In my games, devils will always be true to their literal word... but yes, they'll screw you over as much as they can within that framework. Also, you freaked her out enough that you went from "recruit to seduce with riches and power" to "I'm getting the [expletive] out of here".

A good thing to keep in mind is that you are not like a mortal. XD Certain parts of the game world - including anything dealing with souls, worship, or mythic power - treat you very differently than they would most characters. Don't think of yourself as "Harath, the extra-powerful adventurer". Think of yourself as "Harath, the god who's getting his power back".

Your profile should be formatted like this one. (I find that copy/pasting the actual formatting bits, like bold tags, makes it go a lot faster - also, using a word processor to be sure you don't time out)

with as much trouble as i have getting by, i dont even think of myself as "Harath, the regularly-powered adventurer", more like "Harath, the normal guy who kinda cant really die as easily"

regarding the level up, do you think it might make more sense to do something with the occult stuff with Harath? I think there are some more dream things that were put in there than there were when he was created.

For instance, Psychic with the Dream discipline rather than Psion with Telepathy.

Eh, most of your stuff should start to really come online soon. XD It's hard to make a bad tristalt character unless you do that deliberately. You just have to... really know your abilities and how you plan to use them. It helps to have a long-term vision for your character, and to make sure you're supporting that.

As for classes, that's ultimately up to you. It is possible to retrain, although since we're past first level, you'll have to follow the normal rules for doing so.

Alright. I will probably try to retrain then. Psion doesnt have much dream stuff, which is rare in the game anyway.

I'm not terribly worried about actual power since i figure you'll modify things one way or another to fit. But actual spells and abilities that deal with dreams would be nice. Dread covers nightmares, but Psion i just kinda tacked on as a bit of a stretch back when i was trying to play psionics in everything, and i went with Soulknife just because the archetype i picked went with the Dread archetype i picked somewhat.

Yeah, outside of specifically dream-related adventures - which are rare, but do happen - dreams aren't a huge part of the game. XD; Most people are assumed to be adventuring when awake and resting while asleep, though you can always go a little more metaphorical in how stuff works. For example, 'encouraging people to try and achieve their dreams', or 'giving people nightmares by displaying fearsome powers'. So it's not just what you have, it's how you use it.

My general assumption is that rather than simply being immensely powerful creatures, gods are at least partially the concepts they represent, and embody ideas on many different levels. The character I linked to above, for example, is the goddess of the dawn... and this means everything from thinking sunrods are the best mortal invention ever to encouraging revolutions and changing careers in order to make one's life better.

Ah, i suppose i had the more literal in mind. gathering information by looking into people's dreams, using nightmares to force compliance or defeat foes, etc.

I more or less have the nightmare side down with fear-based combat stuff, but would like to actually get more into the actual dream stuff.

that's part of why i kept trying to investigate that dream stuff in the one city but then i didnt get anywhere.

Note to Self: Go to the Dimension of Dreams at some point. Maybe Leng. XD

(Awhile back, I spent a few days using various resources to put together a much more comprehensive cosmology, complete with loads of interestingly unique demiplanes. I may as well use it.)

are these the retraining rules you are using? if so, how much is the cost? 160? 250? something else?

Yup, those're the rules. ^^ Count up the cost by looking at what you want to train (probably Class Levels). The cost is 10 * 4 * # of days needed (because let's say you retrain your four existing levels before gaining your fifth).

Alrighty that is what i figured. The number of days is 4, unless i am mistaken, so 4*4*10 = 160

it says that without a trainer it takes twice as many days, but this change doesn't affect the cost.

Normally a 5th level character gets a feat, but were there any extra feats in this game? I forget.

HP was max, correct?

No extra feats. ^^ HP is Max x 1.5.

(You can always check the original recruitment thread to see the rules again.)

didn't get to leveling my character today, kept getting too many

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errors today when trying to access the PFSRD. Only got 1 of 3 characters leveled up due to the need for repeated refreshing, and I prioritized the one that is in combat.

Huh. o_O That's weird. I wonder what's up with that.

*Crickets chirp*

Sorry, still around. Having difficulty balancing things and Harath is low on the to-do list, but i've almost worked my way through the list to him.

Your character output is basically hero lab right, just you combine everything by hand for the tristalt?