Man, that's a really good question! I mean, I've never thought about the difference between "mundane" healing and magic healing. I know a potion of healing would actually harm her if she swallowed it, but what about just bandages, salves, ointments, tinctures... Mundane stuff? That's going to have to be up to Stormstrider.
From what I've read, and I think we discussed it with Alex, Stormy's NPC oracle, earlier, mundane healing should work the same for Tam as it does everyone else.
| Active Conditions: 1 CON damage.. | Current Buffs: none.
"Tamlara, the one thing in life we cannot take any credit for is what our parents were. For good or ill it is the one thing we cannot choose. It is foolish to be ashamed of one's ancestry, just as it is foolish to be proud of it. I was proud of my heritage, but that pride nearly led me to my destruction and caused me to commit a great sin."
"In the end, it is the choices we make that determine our worthiness. You are what you do. You know the difference between right and wrong, and instead of siding with the undead you have used your gifts against them. I understand your reluctance to discuss your background, but your actions do you credit."
Kairon Daaltin wrote:
Hmmmm . . . . So the magic's right out, then. What about regular ol' medical treatment? Like I just did for Brother Guiness?
"She is still flesh and blood... there is no reason that should not work."
Good call! Heal skill has nothing to do with positive/negative energy, so it ought to work just fine.
Male NG Human Sarenite Cleric 3 | HP 25/27 | Initiative +6 | Perception +9, SM +2 (+0) | AC 16 {17} (12 t, 14 {15} ff) | CMB +5, CMD 17 | F +5, R +3, W +5 | Speed 30' | Longspear +7 (1d8+4); Scimitar +6 (1d6+3); Morningstar +5 (1d8+3) | Surgery 3/5 | Good 5/5 | Channel 4/4 (2d6, DC 12) | Spells: 1 - 2d/3d, 2 - 2d/2d | Satchel 8/10 | Active Conditions: -- | Active Buffs: -- | character sheet
Kairon holds up a restraining hand as Guiness readies to advance. Hold on a few moments more! Since Boudacia seems nervy, still, I may as well tend my own hurts, too. And quick as a flash, the medic dresses a few wounds on his left arm and torso. He casts his eyes over to Boudacia every now and then as he works, as though to say: See? Totally trustworthy. "Physician, heal thyself."
"Well, it's good to finally find people who see you for who you are, instead of fearing or hating you for who you were born of. I know the hate is not all in the past, but it is nice to see that some people, at least, can look beyond a persons beginnings."
She looks around.
"I'm ready to move on as soon everyone is healed up."
No post from Boudacia since 3/11 = 7 days. We're moving on & for now I'll bot her if needed.
Brother Guiness trembles slightly & hesitates just a moment before quietly saying, "I hear the chitter of spiders behind the door, but I think these are the big ones, not the itsy-bitsy ones that can get in my armor."
"It's a good thing none of us has arachnophobia." Aldhranhald says, just before renewing his light cantrip on the tip of his quarterstaff, and taking up his usual rear guard position. "Have at them, my martially minded friends. Crush their abdomens!"
I doubt we will surprise them, but we know they are there and we are ready for battle. Stormstrider, do you need us to declare any readied actions in case the spiders have readied actions on the other side of the door? I can’t remember how you wanted to handle the whole “readied actions outside of combat” thing.
Male NG Human Sarenite Cleric 3 | HP 25/27 | Initiative +6 | Perception +9, SM +2 (+0) | AC 16 {17} (12 t, 14 {15} ff) | CMB +5, CMD 17 | F +5, R +3, W +5 | Speed 30' | Longspear +7 (1d8+4); Scimitar +6 (1d6+3); Morningstar +5 (1d8+3) | Surgery 3/5 | Good 5/5 | Channel 4/4 (2d6, DC 12) | Spells: 1 - 2d/3d, 2 - 2d/2d | Satchel 8/10 | Active Conditions: -- | Active Buffs: -- | character sheet
Thank you for that, Gansu!! Sometimes my gifts don't work out like I want 'em to . . . . Strange, in a way, but lookin' out fer others is my job; reckon somebody's gotta keep an eye on me!
Upon hearing Guiness's readiness to advance, Kairon renews the light on his spearpoint with a murmured Φως, and squares his feet to move. Ready. The priest casts an inquiring glance in Boudacia's direction once more, but chooses to leave the matter of tending her hurts alone, for now.
No readied actions needed unless you all wanted to. Since I have heard nothing in regards we shall proceed. If needed we can always retcon or modify as needed.
As Brother Guiness prepares to open the door, he notices that there is a chunk of masonry seemingly in place to keep the door from closing all the way. He opens the door and sees:
"This large room has a wide hole in the center of its floor. What appears to be a heavy, welded steel ladder descends straight down from the lip of this shaft. The extent and depth of the space below are concealed behind the many crisscrossing, whitish-gray spider webs filling the pit."
He also notices 2 of the giant spiders lurking in corners of the room.
"What the... ?" says Sama as she starts to raise her hands for a spell. Unable to see the foes due to the mist, she waits for a chance to cast her spell if the enemy should appear!
Ready action: Brilliant arc on an enemy if a hostile should appear before the group!
”Beware, some may be hiding in ambush too”, says Brother Guiness.
Since BG heard more spiders than the two seen when opening the door, he will in all likelihood do a perception check at the start of his turn before moving into the room (specifically looking for spiders hiding on either side of the door or hiding on the ceiling above to ambush anyone who comes in the door). I know it is not his turn yet, so I will wait...
Knowing that, again, the best thing Aldhranhald can offer to the battle is information, he wracks his brain for bits and pieces of lore about spiders that have the ability to cast spells, if there even are any.
Not sure what knowledge to roll here, so I'm just going to roll them all, and let Stormstrider sort out the details. :) My Monster Lore ability allows me to add my Wisdom bonus on top of my normal Knowledge skill bonuses when attempting to identify monsters and their abilities/weaknesses.
Yes, that's right, Aldy knows a lot about a lot of stuff. He is the company pedant, after all. Remember his motto is "knowledge is power." :) Any information Aldy would discern about such creatures would immediately be relayed to the group Stormstrider. Thanks!
Aldhranhald seems to remember vaguely having read about some rare spiders called "Moon Spiders" that besides the typical poisons & webs so common to spiders, also have some spell-like ability to cast Obscuring Mist and Gaseous Form. Also their webs seem to be more resistant to blunt and piercing damage than other webs. (DR5/slashing) = Your welcome. :-)
The group stares in horror as two more of these gigantic spiders crawl up from the hole in the floor right in front of Brother Guiness and Gansu and proceed to spray webs at them!
Spider Yellow web touch attack on BG:1d20 + 11 ⇒ (2) + 11 = 13 Spider Green web touch attack on Gansu:1d20 + 11 ⇒ (10) + 11 = 21
And suddenly both fighters find themselves entangled- and you are "tethered by an opposing force". You do get Reflex saves to try to get out of the webs, or Str checks to try to break them, or you can try cutting them.
CURRENT INITIATIVE: Block 4:
Boudacia, Tamlara, & Brother Guiness
I think Sama's held action is triggered by the spiders coming up out of the hole into her visual range...
"Not the webs again!" thinks Brother Guiness, as the sticky strands make contact with his body. Trying to shake off the webs before they can entangle him, BG tries to decide if he should draw his trusty battleaxe to better cut through the webbing, or pull his magic Warhammer that would be better at crushing spiders...
BG Reflex Save:1d20 + 3 ⇒ (7) + 3 = 10
Unable to shake off the webs before they entangle him (assuming a 10 reflex save is not good enough), BG decides to take his chances just bashing the nasty critters. Besides, Gansu has the big blade, right?
BG draws his magic Warhammer and attempts to slam it into the green spider directly in front of him!
"Can anyone do something about this fog?? I'd go in there, but I wouldn't be able to see the nose on my face!"
Held action to tumble into the room if the fog goes away. Until then, she's not much use. I don't think she can even use Aid Another unless she's adjacent? Not sure on that one. If she doesn't have to be adjacent, she'll use Aid Another to give Gansu a bonus to hit.
Tamlara? You could fire arrows at either of the 2 spiders right in the doorway if you wanted to?
But with DR 5/slashing, I won't get any damage in unless I roll a 6, or am flanking them. I only have so many arrows, too. I'd hate to run out because I was trying to do something I wasn't really equipped to do. I can flank from a distance, but that requires someone else on the opposite side, of course. It just doesn't seem the best option for me to attack right now.
Boudacia casts the spell Glitterdust on the two spiders in front of Brother Guiness and Gansu.
DC 17 Will Save to avoid 3 rounds of blindness. Sorry I can't find the 10' radius template. I am going to center the spell 10 feet into the room, right in front of the middle of the door. That should get the 2 spiders engaging my friends, some empty room and some of the area with the obscuring mist, so with luck I will get another spider of 2.
Tamlara? You could fire arrows at either of the 2 spiders right in the doorway if you wanted to?
But with DR 5/slashing, I won't get any damage in unless I roll a 6, or am flanking them. I only have so many arrows, too. I'd hate to run out because I was trying to do something I wasn't really equipped to do. I can flank from a distance, but that requires someone else on the opposite side, of course. It just doesn't seem the best option for me to attack right now.
Tamlara, I think the DR/Slashing is just for the webs, not the spiders themselves. If it is for both, then BG just drew the wrong weapon!
Tamlara, BG is correct that the DR/5 Slashing was in reference to the webs. I don't think the spiders have that, but I'll have to check my sources when I get home tonight. *** Same for the saves from Boudacia's spell. *** And BG, that 'campsite' in the ceiling? Not too sure that would work. I'll have to look into that as well, but keep in mind it has only been maybe 5 or 6 hrs of game time since you broke camp .... Trying to rest too often? DM'y things tend to happen ... :-D Come on! Make my day!
Boudacia and Wayne see a 5-foot-diameter tunnel that runs about 10 feet and ends. It’s carved from solid rock and contains four leather waterskins, four small wooden coffers of salted food (two with fish fillets, two with slabs of roast boar; this preserved food is far too salty to eat without being soaked or scrubbed), and 50 feet of stout rope knotted to a triple-hook steel grapnel.
Fair point about the campsite. Here is the description...Implied is space for 4, so it may be too cramped for us all to fit comfortably.
Boudacia casts the spell Glitterdust on the two spiders in front of Brother Guiness and Gansu.
DC 17 Will Save to avoid 3 rounds of blindness. Sorry I can't find the 10' radius template. I am going to center the spell 10 feet into the room, right in front of the middle of the door. That should get the 2 spiders engaging my friends, some empty room and some of the area with the obscuring mist, so with luck I will get another spider or 2.
Boudacia, I took a shot at the 10 foot radius spell template for you. I targeted based on your description, but feel free to move it if you like.
1. BG is correct, the DR is only to the webs, not the spiders. 2. These spiders are NOT considered vermin. Hexes just might work? ;-) 3. Yeah, that small tunnel in the ceiling would not be proper for a 'camp-site'. 4. I have updated the Initiative tracker at the top of the screen.
EDIT: Sorry Sama!I forgot to do the reflex saves vrs your lightning! Here goes:
Male NG Human Sarenite Cleric 3 | HP 25/27 | Initiative +6 | Perception +9, SM +2 (+0) | AC 16 {17} (12 t, 14 {15} ff) | CMB +5, CMD 17 | F +5, R +3, W +5 | Speed 30' | Longspear +7 (1d8+4); Scimitar +6 (1d6+3); Morningstar +5 (1d8+3) | Surgery 3/5 | Good 5/5 | Channel 4/4 (2d6, DC 12) | Spells: 1 - 2d/3d, 2 - 2d/2d | Satchel 8/10 | Active Conditions: -- | Active Buffs: -- | character sheet
I'm going to post two different actions so we can advance as easily as possible. This is the critical criterion: if Kairon can attack with his longspear through allied squares at no penalty, he will do so; if not, then he'll go with option two.
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Option One
Seeing Guiness's hammer strike home, Kairon thrusts with his longspear at the same spider (green).
Seeing that Guiness has things well in hand, but that Gansu is struggling against two web blasts, Kairon reaches forward and sends a surge of Sarenrae's might into the warrior.
Standard action, touch of good: +1 sacred bonus to attack, skill, ability, and saving throw d20 rolls for one round
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I hope it's no trouble to post like this -- I just didn't want to force a wait on anyone else. As I learn your methods, Stormstrider, this will occur much less often!! :)
| Active Conditions: 1 CON damage.. | Current Buffs: none.
Two saves against each entanglement? I got a web thrown at me before (my last save was a 13). Does that mean I save twice for that web and twice for the new one? Here goes:
I don't know the DC here but those are mostly good... If I was already entangled from before then I get a -2 to those saves.
Gansu struggles with the webs and then swings his nodachi at the injured spider.
"This is what I think about your cursed webs!"
Nodachi -1 Power Attack:1d20 + 7 - 1 ⇒ (16) + 7 - 1 = 22... -2 if I am entangled and +1 if I have Kairon's bonus. Damage +3 Power Attack:1d10 + 6 + 3 ⇒ (2) + 6 + 3 = 11
| Active Conditions: 1 CON damage.. | Current Buffs: none.
The All-Seeing Eye. wrote:
Okay. Who's the silly one adding the extra list of "More Conditions" to the Battle Grid?
Bluff (untrained):1d20 + 3 ⇒ (3) + 3 = 6
Gansu looks away innocently and whistles. Seems like he's hiding something.
That's actually been there for weeks! I was waiting to see if anyone noticed. :)
Kairon Daaltin wrote:
if Kairon can attack with his longspear through allied squares at no penalty, he will do so;...
Kairon: Normally there is a -4 cover penalty for using a reach weapon through another creature's space. Reach weapons work the same as ranged weapons in this regard (though there is no "firing into melee" penalty). As far as I can find, there is no version of Improved Precise Shot for reach weapons. Though you would think that there ought to be?
Normally though in a circumstance like this I would think the attack is worth it even with a penalty since it allows us three attacks on a 10' wide front.
Male NG Human Sarenite Cleric 3 | HP 25/27 | Initiative +6 | Perception +9, SM +2 (+0) | AC 16 {17} (12 t, 14 {15} ff) | CMB +5, CMD 17 | F +5, R +3, W +5 | Speed 30' | Longspear +7 (1d8+4); Scimitar +6 (1d6+3); Morningstar +5 (1d8+3) | Surgery 3/5 | Good 5/5 | Channel 4/4 (2d6, DC 12) | Spells: 1 - 2d/3d, 2 - 2d/2d | Satchel 8/10 | Active Conditions: -- | Active Buffs: -- | character sheet
I've had GMs that ignored the standard penalty for melee reach weapons (the reasoning being tied to the concept of "moving through allied spaces is free", and the historical factors of the Greek phalanx), and GMs that strictly enforced it. Though I think I know which way Stormstrider's gonna call it, I'm always one to float an option at least once. :)
Kairon: Normally there is a -4 cover penalty for using a reach weapon through another creature's space. Reach weapons work the same as ranged weapons in this regard (though there is no "firing into melee" penalty). As far as I can find, there is no version of Improved Precise Shot for reach weapons. Though you would think that there ought to be?
Normally though in a circumstance like this I would think the attack is worth it even with a penalty since it allows us three attacks on a 10' wide front.
There is a feat called phalanx formation that allows you to ignore soft cover from allies when you use a reach weapon...
Kairon, First of all. I have no problem with dual options posts like that, especially if they help speed up the game! Matter of fact I like people being smart & posting like that. All of you! Feel free to make optional posts like Kairon's. Please just be sure to make them very clear like Kairon did.
Secondly, I would apply the -4 to the attack like Gansu mentioned. What you say about the Greek phalanx is very true, but they also went through many, many, many years of very strict training. Kairon has not had that much training as a warrior as of yet. Since I am at work I can't currently read the description of the feat that BG posted, but I would most likely allow that, which would be a 'representation' of the time training for that.
Gansu, I apologize for my faulty wording on the saves there. I meant to say two saves, one for each entanglement. Thank you for your diplomatic handling of my error there. Having said that, you had already rolled tyour first reflex save earlier, even though it was not your turn yet. I am going to ignore that first one you had done when it was not your turn (it was a fail! - you're welcome!) and take the first two saves you have on your most recent post. You make it, so no negatives, just the bonus from Kairon. Fair enough?
Gansu swings his huge sword slicing the spider completely in two!
The party hears skittering sounds from within the mist. That would be the Spider Blue's turn. ;-)
Sama keeps her hands up and outstreched, ready for any sudden appearance by any nasty spider.
Readied touch attack: Jolt:1d20 + 3 ⇒ (19) + 3 = 22 There is a -4 penalty if I have to shoot through someone's space, and another -4 if the spider is in melee when I attack (though since this is a ready action, hopefully it will go off as soon as a spider becomes visible, before it moves into melee). Jolt damage:1d3 ⇒ 1
Are any of the spices in front of us glittery and/or blind?
Both the green and the yellow spiders are glittery. Though it is much more difficult to tell on the green one since it is also split in two and very much covered in grayish/greenish ... blood? ichor? You are also fairly certain that it can not see you. ;-p The yellow one has not had a turn to act yet since that spell and you have no way of telling if it is blind or not. Thank you! I got to have some fun with that answer! Hahaha!
Sama? You do realize there already were two fully visible - and the yellow spotted one is even very glittery! - spiders right there? The black spotted one is there as well. Which one do you want to hit please? Or do you want to wait until you see another spider?
EDIT: Never mind, you can't see the black one from where you are. So do you want to hit yellow?
BG is no longer “tethered by an opposing force” since the spider who webbed him is dead. Am I right in assuming that he is still, however, entangled?
If you go back and read the attack post, it was actually the yellow one that webbed you. The green one had tried to web Gansu. So you are still entangled & “tethered by an opposing force”
The one spider left at the doorway (Yellow spotted one) Will try to move backward into the hole & pull the dwarf with him ...
Not sure on rules here: I'm thinking for a simple success, it gets to drag BG 5 ft? And for every 5 on the roll above the target CMD, another 5 ft. Seem fair & reasonable?
The Spider moves back 5 ft going over the edge into the hole, dragging the dwarf closer to the hole.
This would of course provoke an AoO from Gansu! Feel free to go ahead Gansu! This happens as the Spider starts to move away, so BG would NOT be in your way.
CURRENT INITIATIVE: Block 4:
Boudacia, Tamlara, & Brother Guiness
BG is no longer “tethered by an opposing force” since the spider who webbed him is dead. Am I right in assuming that he is still, however, entangled?
If you go back and read the attack post, it was actually the yellow one that webbed you. The green one had tried to web Gansu. So you are still entangled & “tethered by an opposing force”
Totally right, Stormstrider. I had just assumed that the spiders directly in front of us were the ones throwing the webs, but the rolls show they attacked diagonally -- tricky beasts!. And it got BG's CMD by 4 when you include the -2 for entangled, so super-close to being pulled 10 feet!
BG will wait for his turn to see what happens with the attacks of opportunity first...
