The Bogshark Fiasco

Game Master Lord Grey

Chapter 3 - Circling Sharks

The storm spins overhead. Lightning crashes, fiery explosions cast red glares in brief bursts over the city. Freezing rain sweeps the streets, and the cities' dazers shamble toward the lightning struck house.


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AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

My D20 rolls are killing me! of course when I'm fighting the dragon!


DRAGON FIGHT!


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

ouch, less than a 50/50 chance to hit it ;_;
Grimgar, get in there!XD


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Oh whew, it was just a wyrmling, nice! Also grats on ding :]


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

+6hp (average)
+1 spell slot (4th)
+1 spell known (Polymorph) maybe.

Grey, before I choose my spell, what's your input on Polymorph? The old one I think required you to have seen the things you were morphing but it doesn't look like that's a stipulation for 5e. Im partially asking because the only cr7 beast is donkey Kong.


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

nooooo, pet dragon!!!!!


Ah, they do it like wild shape? I dont think polymorph has that limitation. If you transform something into a creature trissae hasnt seen, just play it like the magic is seeking out a form appropriate to thr casters desires, filling the blank in with the appropriate, player selected beast.


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

not really a complaint because random be random but jeeze:

of the last 14 d20 rolls, 2 was above average (19,12) 2 were average (11) and every other one was below average, many significantly.... arg.


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Yikes, well, hopefully that means your luck can only go up from here :D


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

There are a few things that are factually bad ass:

1. Walking away from an explosion without looking

2. Hot bullet cases bouncing off the ground in slow motion as you blow away a horde of goons.

3. Rolling up with your crew and tossing the head of your slain advassary to the feet of his comrades and saying "Anyone else?"

4. Respecting women ~Torgue


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

hahaha :D Glad you liked it. I was pretty happy with it :D


HP: 55/71, AC: 15, HD: 4/9, Pass Perc: 16 (Darkvision 60), Init: +1, Spell Save DC: 14, Inspiration: Y

Taking average HP. Taking the healing spirit 2nd level spell from Xanathar's guide, and the Escape the Horde conclave defensive feature from the ranger Unearthed Arcana.


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Oh wait I'm confused. I already hit 7th level Dec 28th last year? Is that supposed to be lvl8 or were we not all the same level?


Oh shi.... let me look into it. Can everyone confirm what level they are, and update your sheets accordingly


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

We are 7, Trissae was still 6, I believe? I have 7 on my sheet--ok it looks liek I have 6 on my sheet, but all my stats are for level 7 (spells, HD, etc) I'll fix the level


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

I am 7 as of SLAYING a DRAGON! Wheeloo wheeloo wheeloo weeee!


Ozz hadnt been leveled to 7 yet post wug fight, if that makes sense. I don't think anyone should be 8


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Ah I think I figured out what happened:

GM Grey wrote:

Dec 28th To everyone who was in this fight: Welcome to level 7. Please do your leveling-up in the discussion thread. New HP, Spell Slots, or other abilities gained from the level-up should be considered refreshed and ready to use.

Trissae: You'll get yours soon, when we're done with your part here. Think about what you'd like to do, and feel free to discuss it as well. Just don't make any actual changes to your character sheet yet.

So I think Ozz was the only one who was off.


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

yeah, it seems like Ozz just didn't get properly leveled. For Shame! ;P

(Also, I realized I just jumped in there without giving you a chance to do something first if you wanted to, Adrien. sorry about that. I don't want to hog any spotlight :D)


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HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Nah no worries, did everything I'd wanted to.


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

sorry guys, I was up watching my uncle's dogs last week. I'm not hiding I promise!


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

its cool. At least I hope it is because I'm way late on posting too XD


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

You know, it's interesting. I had no intention on writing that big response, but there was this genuine frustration that I could sense Trissae would feel at this situation.

Here we have this Shield captain who trissae believes has to know about what happened at the tower, and he's surprised that Moonbrook had the shield. Of course Trissae has no clue what standard operating procedure is for the shield or who normally has it, but her assumption is that 'of course Moonbrook would have it.

Then just the frustration sets in - having gone out of her way, to the point of being somewhat ostrasized by her friends, for the Shields and still finding them incredibly hostile. It all just spills out, and none of it is planned lol.

It's just very interesting when the character takes over, especially looking from the outside.

It makes me really appreciate how good your writing is Grey, like disappearing into a book


Ahhh, I might have f-ed up a bit of Irontooth there. He isn't surprised that Moonbrook had ownership of the Shield, he was interested if she actively had it ON her at the time. Whoops.

Also, he's the Citadel captain who has been cut off from the rest of the Shields since the bullywugs came in. Communication has been limited.

That said, thank you! I enjoy Trissae's never-ending quest to be accepted as more than just a Drow. I hope you aren't completely tired of it yet, you knew what you were getting into, following in the footsteps of Drizz't, I hope. :)


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

I'll try to get a post up tonight


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

You know, it occurs to me, have we discounted the fact that Caira may have just been fed information, and is a patsy? I know we discussed divination, but I don't know if we considered that obvious option


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

Just a heads up, I do have lesser restoration to clear up the poison if splotz is running low on magical juice.

Also at this point I'm almost completely certain that this is Grimgar's fiasco. He was tired of the drift in the Bogsharks (Caira being selfish and enjoying yartar then the addition of Adrien into the fold). So after he was caught by Frostheight he either made a deal with him, or at the very least made a plot involving him. But, everything got messed up with Brundon and Grim's failure to account for Frostheight's bigotry. At least that's my guess at this juncture.

Also, I love that my phone now tries to auto correct to Frostheight when I type frost now lol


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

Yeah, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I enjoy those idiosyncratic autocorrects and word suggestions. :D
As soon as it became clear that Grimgar really took off on you, I figured he was going after her, and I am not convinced, (how is he is staying invisible, for instance--though its not impossible for him to have, say, invis potions)but It seems likely, I agree.

Though actually, I just realized you meant that he is the 'traitor.' Possible, but I think he's just an overzealous Bogshark purist. A kinda Lawful Douche Paladin type, but for Bogsharkness. In fact, I'm not even sure there is a traitor. they may have just figured out who Caira was, and fed Caira BS info, so she'd set up the job


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

"What!? You wanna say something Grellick? Step up! Step up! No Response? That's what I thought!" ~last words of a tiny elf


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

If only because we stopped paying attention to 'maybe not Grimgar but yeah its Grimgar' :D


Don't mind me. The pup needs a haircut. Give me two rounds and I'll put his hair back into respectable order.


Frostheight, Amberglow and Yartar have all been common words in my phone at some point!


It's too late to edit my post, but I would like to mention that the short sword I'm using to cut Adrien's hair is my infamous magical blade, nicknamed by the bogshark elites as "Grimgar's Trollsplitter".

It's the sharpest blade at camp.


HP 27/72, AC 17, Init +0, P.P. 13[darkvision60], Saves: S+8, D+0, C+6, I+3, W+4, C-1, Spell Save DC:15

nice playing into the moment adrien. what, that guy? he's nothing!" :D

Also, damn ,thats some cool narration, Grey, and also a nice reminder that we have special powers to use XD


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

Grimgar's stealth haircuts is how Trissae's hair has stayed so perfect this entire time. I'll bet you guys didn't even notice! He's that good.


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

For some reason the Fiasco alert sounds like excessive cowbell playing to me today


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Haha thank you, I'm loving this scene so far :D

I like the sound of that service. Just pay a monthly fee and your hair always stays the same and styled without you ever seeing the barber. But the barber sees you.


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Trying to figure out what this looked like (translating the mechanics into fiction).

Dead would have been 104 damage, so it wasn't even close to bloodspray>dead.

If it had been just a bit more damage, it would be bleeding that could stop on its own. But it was less severe than that.

But it still puts him one hit away from unconscious, so he has to be severely weakened/fragile because of it...

Okay, I think I have a basic idea for how it plays out. Moving to gameplay.


Yeah, it's a rough thing to try and keep mechanical HP in mind in these moments of dramatic tension. There's a lot of room for different interpretations based on all of our notions on how HP works, and how the scene feels.

To me, this scene felt like a moments of tension, of something long in the making finally coming together, so my natural inclination is to go big, try to make it feel like a moment that matters, something with stakes.

But, as you say, being dropped to 1 HP can be slept off in a single night. Not exactly life threatening, is it? Yet, I don't feel good about Making Grimgar night unstoppable by overleveling him above you. I might be able to justify a few levels, I suppose, but even if he was set to level 9 or 10 (I don't think I'd want to go that much higher. The Bogshark elites ARE powerful, but I level 8 is still a god compared to someone at the level you all started as, and I think right around 8 or 9 is a good place for them to be at) that would have only rolled 2d6 more damage.

And 51 is a HIGH roll for 10d6+6 (4 dex, +2 magic weapon). 12d6+6 might have even done LESS damage.

Yet, then we circle back to this problem where the climax of Grimgar's entire arc culminating in a this moment of choice between he and Grellik (With the power to kill but a word), so I don't want the choice to end up with "Well, clearly Grimgar was never really a threat, so Grellik is a fool to have killed him. He couldn't stop us, mechanically" as that is murder to the story telling when the mechanics drive like that.

So, I can see where the desire for there to be these stakes of 'Adrien could have died! if Grimgar didn't act decisively' comes from. I really feel that too.

I actually considered letting Grellik just get to act first, without the rolling initiative, so the actual damage of what Grimgar COULD do might not ever be revealed, letting the tension of "How in danger is Adrien and Caria?" work by story telling alone.

But I let the mechanics speak for me there, possibly causing this awkward feeling between this story-telling-versus-mechanics issue.

Sorry for the akwardness here, and please don't mind it if we walk away from this scene with the mental image that there was some blood spray, The HP system just isn't properly realistic for story-telling purposes, without taking some liberal interpretations on how HP could be described from this scene.

Hell, I guess since HP IS supposed to be a combination of meat damage, fatigue and moral, this is a position where we might be able to crank it in the other direction, such as the wound is wicked enough to cause a good amount of blood loss (Which isn't hugely unrealistic. Head wounds bleed like a b@&*+, and I bet neck/jaw cuts might, to some extent as well.

Having a wound bad enough to leave a nasty scar could still be a blood mess even though it isn't immediately life threatening. Pro-wrestling demonstrates pretty regularly how well people can still operate physically while looking absolutely f~&!ed. It doesn't matter if blood is streaming down your face and coating the mat, the show must go on and there is a bit of a script you need to stick to. So, keep swinging your fists even though you might not know exactly how you look like or how bad it is. A dude once finished a match after breaking his neck.

So, I'm pretty open to how to resolve the fluff of this scene, but I would like to lean in favor of supporting dramatic-tension over sheer D&D mechanics here, even if just for that sweet, sweet, storytelling fluff.


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

Of course you Sodding Sharks get the fire in your trousers when I'm at bloody work!


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

As an aside, there is an optional rule for massive damage in the DMG, which triggers on taking half your maximum hp in damage from a single source (note that if you had weapon with a damage enchantment like fire, you don't count the fire damage as it's technically a separate source)

Not that I'm advocating it, since we haven't been using it up to this point.


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

The fiasco alarm has become the sadness horn... Fllluuuurrrnnnn


It's been a while since the sadness horn was blown!


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

I feel like I should clarify:
After reading my post I realized it could be read as Triss telling Adrien to kill himself... NOT the intention!

She is trying to motivate him by saying "do what Grimgar can't, protect your family" with handing him the sword being symbolic of that.... I hope that makes sense x_X


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

hahaha i didnt even think of that, i totally see it now


Sorry for the slow dm posting guys. Ill try to get a post up Tuesday


Sorry in advance for how poorly edited that all probably was!


AC 14, HP 44/61, Init +5, P.P. 11, S. DC 16, Insp: 1, HD: 6/9, BI: 0/4, 1st (4/4), 2nd (1/3), 3rd (0/3), 4th (0/3), 5th (1/1) Bard (9)

I just want to take a moment to appreciate something. Sapphire's murder saber was making Triss act weird so she shouldn't have it, it could be cursed. Oh but Adrien, here, have two... XD


Adrien is slowly turning into some kind of wild, cursed swordsman. Pretty dope!


HP 47/63, AC 18, Init +7, Passive Perception 15, Saving Throws: Str +4, Dex +5, Con +4, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha +2, HD: 1/6 + 2/3, Insp: 0/1, SD: 4/4, AS: 0/1, SW: 0/1

Agree! Getting psyched for whatever this final chapter is gonna be. :D

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