Kineticist Many Throw Range


Rules Questions


The wording of Many Throw would imply to me that you only have a range of 30ft but it has the prerequisite of extended range so does it have a range of 30ft or 120ft.


"You can use your telekinetic blast to make attack rolls against a number of targets equal to your kineticist level within 120 feet, but no two targets may be more than 30 feet apart."

The targets must be within 120' of the kineticist, and all the targets must be within 30' of each other is what this is saying.

Liberty's Edge

If I'm reading it correctly... it's basically an NPC army killer. Say you're level 18, and fighting 9 guys (for simplicity sake in a 3x3 pattern), and they are all about 100-120 ft away, and all grouped within a 20-30 ft square... I can hit each of them twice (9 targets at x2 each, 18) since I have effectively 18 marbles/pebbles/etc "blasts" (9d6+9+Con) I can use with Many Throw.

Is this a correct assumption?

And, assuming it is correct... can I fling 18 "marbles" at a single enemy who is within 120 ft of myself? Dealing 9d6+9+Con upwards of 18 times, should they all hit the target?

Designer

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Choose a number of targets equal to your kineticist level (or less) and then make a (single) attack roll against each one.

Liberty's Edge

Thank you for the clarification, but the Infusion doesn't read like that at all. It says choose a number of targets equal to your kineticist level, but doesn't state whether a single, or multiple targets can be chosen a maximum of once per instance. Also, it's limited to a basic blast, so while it's powerful, it's not composite blast powerful... excepting if you can choose a single target more than once. I accept that this is unreasonable, as that would make it ridiculously overpowered as I showed in my above post...

So, may I ask you, at a burn cost of 4, and being a form infusion (which inhibits the use of several great form options)... what would you do, or how would you, make this a viable and reusable power at level 18, which is about when you could choose and use it.


Would have been even better to use 18 attacks against one target. Poor boss.

There are only Pushing, Draining and Bowling substance infusion usable with Telekinetic blast.

I think the best is probably Bowling infusion. Then you get a trip maneuver against each target as well.

Many Throw and Bowling is 6 burn, so you can do that as a full round action at level 17 (which is probably the earliest you can pick this).

The Exchange

Cadynce Delholme wrote:

Thank you for the clarification, but the Infusion doesn't read like that at all. It says choose a number of targets equal to your kineticist level, but doesn't state whether a single, or multiple targets can be chosen a maximum of once per instance..

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That is not how targeting works. For example magic missile says choose targets and then it has a special rule in the text to allow multiple missiles to hit a target.


Cadynce Delholme wrote:

Thank you for the clarification, but the Infusion doesn't read like that at all. It says choose a number of targets equal to your kineticist level, but doesn't state whether a single, or multiple targets can be chosen a maximum of once per instance. Also, it's limited to a basic blast, so while it's powerful, it's not composite blast powerful... excepting if you can choose a single target more than once. I accept that this is unreasonable, as that would make it ridiculously overpowered as I showed in my above post...

So, may I ask you, at a burn cost of 4, and being a form infusion (which inhibits the use of several great form options)... what would you do, or how would you, make this a viable and reusable power at level 18, which is about when you could choose and use it.

It sure as heck doesn't say anything like "number of attacks equal to your kineticist level", but "number of targets equal to your kineticist level" which definitely reads more like "1 hit each" than any other interpretation.

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