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SR's - Great Southern Isles (PbP) (Inactive)

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DM

Thanks for understanding, Jayse. I appreciate it.

Some answers to your questions...

Given the size differences between your team and the Dragon - I'm going to say there are no 'soft cover' penalties on ranged attack.

Provided you aren't floating all around her, Strae should be able to lob Fireballs (but again I only beat the SR on a 15+) to just catch her and not the rest of the team. I may try hammering her with Scorching Ray since her Touch AC makes that a guarantee hit and if it penetrates her SR - there is no additional save.

The dragon is not undead - so channels will heal her. My assumption from now on is that Ushari will de-select the Dragon when channeling since she declared it previously.

Skitter and 'hits' is subjective. Yes, he can hit and act as a flanking buddy. And while the odds of a physical hit are long, they could happen. But he could also 'hit' the dragon, or at least get its attention by its magical abilities. Even if it just draws the dragon's attention without doing damage that's enough. Skitter has several abilities - both buffing and in combat that could help out since you guys are all together. His screech, setting up vibrations in weapons, etc.


Sorry, was at our school pep rally so I didn't get a chance to post at my normal times.

Just wanted to clarify--I don't want to retcon, nor am I asking for that. If that's what my posts came across as, I apologize. What I was intending in my post was to point out that the only way I would see myself having DD back was in a retcon. Since I don't want to do that, I'm saying it's cool, I'll stick with my action and I don't need DD memorized again. That's what I meant.

I say we fight on, focus on stacking buffs as much as we can, and see what happens.


STONE-FACED KILLA

Oh, ok, cool.

My only suggestion is this. I don't know if your grapple rolls will stick. They're good, but this girlie's proven to be somewhat of a BA.

And with jayse not there, i'm guessing you'll get the full brunt of her reprisal... which -- like i said earlier -- i can't see you surviving short of AMAZING luck.

Your call, though... maybe you can use the gifted DDoor to blip back to us? Call it magical adrenaline... not a feat Orin could repeat, but one that saved his butt in the clutch.

Food for thought. Obviously the choice is yours.


I'm taking suggestions on where Strae should move. If we want to flank the dragon, do we want to try to get it out in the open? I could have Strae race around the other side of the Tar Pool as if making for the treasure to draw attempt to draw the beastie that way.


STONE-FACED KILLA

Hmmmm. I was really hoping someone would step up into melee with me to help divert some of these attacks. I'm not sure that Jayse can survive a round being focused.


Sorry Jayse...But 'Shari has to keep herself alive somehow.


HP: 51/79 | | Anatomist (+1 to confirm Crits) | | Fav. Enemy +4 = Humans, Half-Humans, Undead

I'd offer, but that would negate almost all of my offense, plus I was hoping this GAS would hit. Mwah wah waaaahhh...


STONE-FACED KILLA

I's okay... I survived to the current round... hasted, ki flurry here I come.

If that SLaying arrow misses, can Jayse catch it and use it to stab the dragon in the face?


DM

Do you have the Snatch-Arrow-Stab-Dragon-Face feat? :p


STONE-FACED KILLA

I think I took that at 7.


DM

Sorry, should have checked your character sheet before I asked. :)


HP: 51/79 | | Anatomist (+1 to confirm Crits) | | Fav. Enemy +4 = Humans, Half-Humans, Undead

Maybe I should just avoid combat feats in the future, and lean towards strictly entertainment abilities.

This whole hitting-the-broad-side-of-a-barn-sized-enemy thing doesn't seem to be working out...


STONE-FACED KILLA

Oof.. that loot list is interesting. A few obvious choices and a few good "sell" options.

Jayse is personally interested in:
- Gloves of Arrow Snaring
- Pearl White Spindle Ioun Stone
- Ring of Major Energy Resistance: 20 Cold (keep in mind the Dweller is keyed to cold)
- Ring of Protection +3

Obviously he shouldn't necessarily get all of those. I just thought we could metnion what everyone wants and go from there.


DM

Bear in mind, we can continue the adventure while you guys are divvying loot.


Ushari would like the wand and the scroll obviously. The Ring of Protection would also be nice.

EDIT: Orin should get the staff. The Manual we can sell.


DM

Just some quick links:

Gloves of Arrow Snaring
Ioun Stone - Pearly White Spindle
Staff of Souls


DM

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Values:
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4000 Gloves of Arrow Snaring
1650 Scroll 6th spell - Heal
20,000 Ioun Stone White Spindle
32,800 Staff of Souls
55,000 Manual of Quickness in Action +2
30,000 Wand 10th Cure Critical Wounds
28,350 +3 Chainmail (Energy Resistance 10 v Elect)
28,000 Ring of Major Energy Resistance: (20 v Cold)
18,000 Ring of Protection +3
15,000 (1k/dose) Amphora with Salve of Slipperiness (15 doses)


DM

There isn't anything on the list that Strae couldn't live without and you could sell the whole lot without upsetting him. But, if he were pushed into a choice - either ring would be nice.

FYI, if you sold every magic item on the list - excluding the coins, gems, or art items from the other room - you'd each walk away with about 35,000 GPs. Naturally, the coins, etc. would bump those numbers up. If you want a basis for your 'purchasing power' consider that if divvying up the goods turns out to be a pain.


I'd just as soon sell everything and take the gold, personally.


Ushari would use her share to claim the scroll, wand and Protection ring. I mean seriously, a cure Crit wand?? That is just what the doctor ordered!


HP: 51/79 | | Anatomist (+1 to confirm Crits) | | Fav. Enemy +4 = Humans, Half-Humans, Undead

I think we should keep that +3 ring, stone, and wand.

What about that Heal scroll? It sounds handy, but maybe we're covered in that department?

Reading up on the Manual of Quickness of Action +2, It seems like a keeper. My max dex in mithral chain is already reached though, so I would have to find new gear in order to benefit. Jayse, would this benefit you?


STONE-FACED KILLA

Stormraven: One quick question before we really make any long-lasting decisions about loot. Is that 35k split considering the items we found in that last room? Or do we still need to determine what to do with those? The +5 Bane Shaudran gauntlet in particular should bring in a hefty trade-in.

Jofram wrote:
Reading up on the Manual of Quickness of Action +2, It seems like a keeper. My max dex in mithral chain is already reached though, so I would have to find new gear in order to benefit. Jayse, would this benefit you?

Dex isn't as much a priority to Jayse as it is to Jofram. So Jayse won't be taking the Manual either way. Consider this, though. I still think it's in the group's best interest for you to sell it. If we split that 55k gold 5 ways, we each walk away with 11k gold. Jofram can take his 11k gold, add an additional 1k gold, and turn his Belt of Dex +2 into a Belt of Dex +4… and the other group members still walk away with 11k gold each.

As to your max dex issue:
Since Jofram's Dex is only likely to go up, you need to be looking at alternatives to your current armor, anyway. You have two options. One is to find armor with a higher max dex, though that will require more enhancement bonuses (more gold) to equal the benefit of your current armor -- though your full dexterity will off-set that somewhat, especially as your Dex continues to go up. Secondarily, you could go with a custom Wrist-slot item. :D

there were two things that caught my eye for Jofram. Bracers of Armor (which is expensive but has no max dex) and Bracers of Falcon's Aim (a new item in the Ultimate Equipment book that just came out). Falcon's Aim is a magic wrist-slot item that gives you the benefit of a constant Aspect of the Falcon spell, without the visual changes. So if you had the desire and the cash, you could have a custom magic item made that combines the two.. a pair of Bracers of +? Armor and Falcon's Aim. Possibly expensive, but very useful given Jofram's circumstances.

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Okay, I agree that our best use of most of these items is to sell them. A few of them are useful enough that even if we cash out, Jayse (and probably a few others) would end up buying the same item or something similar.

These two I like for Jayse:
Gloves of Arrow Snaring - selling it gives each of us 800g. Not insignificant, but not huge. The tradeoff is that one of us gets an item that can negate two ranged attacks per day.
Ring of Protection +3 - As the group's primary "tank", I'd really like to get this on Jayse's hand. If he doesn't get it, I'll definitely be spending some of my gold on this exact item.

These are good group items:
Ring of Major Cold Resistance We know the Dweller is keyed to resist cold, it's not a big logical leap to assume he deals it as well. Plus, it's a big resistance that was just handed to us. i say someone should wear this thing.
Wand of Cure/Scroll of Heal Both to Ushari. WHat's not to love?

As far as how we're divvying up loot, we've never really accounted for people taking items before we sell them and equally distributed the cash. We've just been using items where they're most useful to the team. If people are starting to consider "buying off' a portion of their sell-back total, then I think it's appropriate to revisit what everyone has already received as "free" loot up to this point. As it stands, the equivalent gear costs per character feels pretty off-balance. So I say we continue doing it the way we have been or even up the current distribution by totaling up people's current gear values and comparing them.

What would people prefer to do?

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And one other thing, SR
Should we be leveling up? Or do you want us to wait until we've completed the shell thing?


STONE-FACED KILLA
reference: Wraith Treasure wrote:

~ Wraith TREASURE ~


Silver Ewer - 100 GP

Velvet Mask with Citrines - 600 GP 

Jeweled Anklet - 2500 GP

Green Silk Vest with platinum threads - 1800 GP

2 Framed Paintings (Shaudran) - 10,000 GP 

Small Corborundrum Shell - 3000 GP

Rope of Climbing 
Bag of Holding - Type II 

Elemental Gem - Air 

Rod of Maximizing (Normal) 

Bead of Force 

Scroll (Divine) 9th level Caster 
-> 3rd - Meld Into Stone 
-> 4th - Divine Power (used last fight?) 
-> 5th - Flame Strike (used last fight?)

Shaudran Gauntlet 
+5 Flaming, Bane (v Evil Outsiders)


Well, I guess I am a bit more old school when it comes to loot. Back in the day you didn't have magic shops and it was basically 'what you found, you used'. My philosophy is as along as everyone gets some loot and also if certain items get 'assigned' to whoever can use them the best, it only helps the team as a whole.

SO, I suggest we can put in claims on all the magic items found, and if nothing gets claimed, then we can sell it. BTW, Usahri would take that Cold Resist ring if no one else does.

I think a consolidated treasure list would be a good idea, I'll see if I can get one up.


STONE-FACED KILLA

IT doesn't sound like Stormraven is holding us to that type of loot usage, though, based on his recent posts about loot. Stormraven, should we assume we can sell off these items and get stuff that is more tailored to our characters?

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Consolidated loot list

~ Dragon TREASURE ~

Combining coins for simplicity:
 37000 GP

5 Dark Gems

-> 1000 GP

-> 1000 GP

-> 3000 GP

-> 2500 GP

-> 500 GP

Gloves of Arrow Snaring - 4000 GP

Scroll 11th CL (Divine) 6th spell - Heal - (Ushari)

Ioun Stone - Pearly White Spindle - 20,000 GP

Staff of Souls - 32,800 GP

Manual of Quickness in Action +2 - 55,000 GP

Wand 10th CL 4th Spell - Cure Critical Wounds - (Ushari)

+3 Chainmail (Energy Resistance 10 v Electricity) - 28,350 GP

Ring of Major Energy Resistance: 20 v Cold - (Keep)

Ring of Protection +3 - (Jayse)

Amphora with Salve of Slipperiness (15 doses) - 15,000 P

~ Wraith TREASURE ~

Silver Ewer - 100 GP 

Velvet Mask with Citrines - 600 GP 

Jeweled Anklet - 2500 GP 

Green Silk Vest with platinum threads - 1800 GP 

2 Framed Paintings (Shaudran) - 10,000 GP 

Small Corborundrum Shell - 3000 GP

Rope of Climbing - 3,000 GP (I say we keep - good utility)

Bag of Holding - Type II - (Keep)

Elemental Gem - Air - 

Rod of Maximizing (Normal) - (Keep)

Bead of Force - (Keep)

Scroll (Divine) 9th level Caster 
-> 3rd - Meld Into Stone (Keep)
-> 4th - Divine Power (used?) 
-> 5th - Flame Strike (used?)

Shaudran Gauntlet 
+5 Flaming, Bane (v Evil Outsiders) - 98,350 GP


Jayse, don't forget those 2 50K diamond inkwells we found in the library. That's a cool 100K there as well, he he.

BTW the Divine Power scroll was NOT used. She had cast Divine Favor instead (since she was blinded at the time).


DM

That 35k GP was a rough estimate on the dragon's room ONLY. You will certainly draw more money for the gauntlet and if you decide to trade in some of your current crop of items, I'll be giving you more than 50% there too. Naturally, if you choose to upgrade an existing item, you will only pay the difference, i.e. you change an Amulet of Wow from +2 to +3.

I didn't walk away with the impression that you guys had made any firm decisions about the Gauntlet or Wraith Room goods yet, aside from divvying them up for current usage to complete the adventure.

Jayse is correct that the balance of the value of goods per character is skewed. When I was estimating your 'net values' to determine Orin's starting equipment amount - that became obvious. Going for some equity/parity is not a bad idea... but it is your decision.

You will need to wait to level for just a little while longer. Sorry about that.


In case, you want to look at equipment equity...

Here is a list of all of Strae's goods MINUS the already used consumables (potions, scrolls, etc.) and Destiny stuff.

5500 Boots of Striding and Springing
9000 Cloak of Resistance +3
1000 Pearl of Power (1st)
8500 Ring of Force Shield
20,000 Ioun Stone - Pale Lavender Ellipsoid
4000 Headband of Alluring Charisma +2
54,000 Rod of Maximizing (Normal)
50 Potion - Hide from Undead
50 Potion - Infernal Healing
375 Scroll - Summon Monster III
375 Scroll - Charm Monster

TOTAL: 102,850 GP

Since the Rod was gathered in the Wraith room and is still 'on the block' as far as I'm concerned until you guys 'officially' decide on distribution, his total without it would be:

TOTAL - Rod: 48,850 GP


STONE-FACED KILLA

Jayse's Gear (not considering cheap mundane, consumable, or Destiny items):

Headband of Wisdom +2 - 4,000 GP
Belt of Giant's Strength +2 - 4,000 GP
Goggles of Night - 12,000 GP
Slippers of Spider Climbing - 4,800 GP
Bead of Force - 3,000 GP

TOTAL: 27,800 GP


STONE-FACED KILLA

Ushari's Gear (not considering cheap mundane, consumables, scrolls, wands, or Destiny items):

+2 Leather Armor - 4,160 GP
+2 Headband of Inspired Wisdom - 4,000 GP
+3 Grayflame Rapier - 32,320 GP
+3 Cunning, Keen Adamantine Dagger - 53,002 GP
+1 Ring of Protection - 2,000 GP
Boots of Striding and Springing - 5,500 GP
Coin of Finding - ??

TOTAL: 100,982 GP (not including the coin)


STONE-FACED KILLA

Jofram's Gear (not considering cheap mundane, consumables, scrolls, wands, or Destiny items):

Mithral Chain Shirt - 1,100 GP
Bag of Holding (Type I) - 2,500 GP
Efficient Quiver - 1,800 GP
Greater Arrow of Slaying (Dragon, Golem) - 8,114 GP
+2 Belt of Dex - 4,000 GP
+3 Ring of Protection - 18,000 GP

TOTAL: 35,514 GP

NOTE: the Arrows of SLaying are kind of tantamount to consumables, but HELLA-EXPENSIVE ones.


STONE-FACED KILLA

Orin's Gear (not considering cheap mundane, consumables, scrolls, wands, or Destiny items):

Robe of Useful Items - 7,000 GP
Belt of Disguise (priced like hat) - 1,800 GP
Pearls of Power (x2) - 2,000 GP
+2 Cloak of REsistance - 4,000 GP
+1 Headband of Intelligence - 4,000 GP
+1 Mithral Buckler - 2,005
+2 Mithral Chain Shirt - 5,250
Efficient Quiver - 1,800 GP
+1 Mighty Composite Longbow [STR +3] - 2,700 GP
Sundry others including Bane arrows - assuming a 1 or 2k price-tag on those

TOTAL: ~32,000 GP


STONE-FACED KILLA

Feel free to correct the entries above, I tried to be thorough but quick.


Pretty close Jayse. Ushari has a Feather Fall ring as well.

Hmmm...I suppose the reason why Ushari has such good weapons is because her combat abilities are sub-par compared to the rest of the group. Having those two weapons allows her to contribute (somewhat) to the fighting.


DM

The Coin of Finding really has no equivalent. Having a Wand with the same capabilities would cost 15,750 and that is reliant on charges and can be destroyed more easily. So I'd ballpark the Coin at 25k GP in round numbers.


If you guys opt to go with a cash out option, I'm going to have Strae get rid of some stuff. If so, do we want to throw those items into the general fund so everyone profits from the sale?

For instance, the Ioun Stone he carries... I've never used it and probably never will. Prepping a Ready Action to possibly intercept an in-coming spell is a little too passive for Strae's tactics. While it's a 'nice to have', I think it can be sold. Question is - should Strae profit from it alone or should the sum go back into the kitty and we all get a chunk of it? I'm happy to throw it into the kitty.


STONE-FACED KILLA

I would say that if -- at any point -- we sell an item that was originally group loot, we return it back into the group loot pile for selling, and that becomes divided up amongst everyone. But I'd say that if you buy or have something made specifically for you with your portion of the gold, then you can sell that on your own and keep the profits 100% to yourself.

That make any sense?

And regarding the wealth inequality, its' tricky. I can understand your desire for Ushari to contribute in melee combat (if that's one of your goals for the character). I also want to be mindful of how much effort the group is expending to get you there. To be fair, you chose a dex-based character built on two 3/4 bab classes... you're simply not going to perform in combat at the level of Jayse, Jofram, or Orin... at least not when attack rolls are concerned.

I just want to be intentional about the way we use our group loot. At this point, there's a fairly dramatic inequality in the way we're using the group's resources. It doesn't have to be perfectly, exactly equal across the boards, but I'd like to be able to feel that I get to spend some solid resources improving Jayse's performance by gear as well. I'm sure everyone feels the same way, you included.

You may need to pick one primary melee weapon and stick with it... those two weapons have some pretty hefty price tags on them. And if you don't want to do that, then I'd suggest we address equality in other ways.


Good points Jayse, but they are BOTH nice weapons. And the adamantium dagger can come in handy (like with that door in the wraith chamber). I would like the group to hang on to BOTH weapons, even if 'Shari gives up the dagger to someone else.

If it came down to it 'Shari would use her extra share of the loot to buy the dagger and/or rapier.


STONE-FACED KILLA

Hmmm... what value does that dagger bring other than being an adamantine dagger? I mean, that 50k gold could be sold for a regular adamantine dagger -- which would have been just as useful with the door.

It's a cool dagger; just not one that jayse will ever get any use out of other than it's adamantine quality. Is there something else I'm missing?

I'm not saying we HAVE to sell it.. just kicking ideas around.


For my part, I'd like an equal share of whatever we got since I've been here. I can see how you all would want some equity among your gear, including gear that you've had for a while. But I wasn't even part of the group for that loot, so I feel that I have no claim to any of that. Perhaps sell the adamantine dagger, get a regular adamantine dagger from the money to give to Ushari and split the difference of the remaining coin between Jayse and Jofram? Not sure how much that would make you three equal, but it should put you all pretty close to Strae, I believe.

In short, I'm good with whatever you guys decide. If we know that we want to keep the heal scroll for Ushari, I'm fine if that doesn't count toward her share as it's more of a "party item". I'd even think the same about the wand, personally. But I don't really want any of the other items and would rather just sell them. (However, the rod of Maximizing is pretty awesome. Of course, it might be better to sell it, divvy up the money, and then me and Strae can both by lesser rods of Maximizing, for example).


STONE-FACED KILLA

I agree. Group-benefitting consumables (scrolls, wands, potions, etc) should be treated as such, and I didn't factor those into any of my gear lists.

And I agree that trying to trade otu the crazy expensive version of the adamantine dagger with just a regular adamantine dagger (as much as you can say one is regular) would benefit the group more regularly.


STONE-FACED KILLA

Unless Ushari does, in fact, want to buy it out-right. Then we could consider it hers.

Though if we go that route I'd say we charge her the price that we'd get if we sold it off... that seems the most fair.


Jayse wrote:

Unless Ushari does, in fact, want to buy it out-right. Then we could consider it hers.

Though if we go that route I'd say we charge her the price that we'd get if we sold it off... that seems the most fair.

I agree


OK, so to help redress some inequalities here because they genuinely bug me...

Let's throw the Rod of Maximizing on the sell pile along with Strae's Ioun Stone.

That's puts my total value at:

28,850 GP

If we aren't counting team expendables like scrolls and potions, that total drops to:

28,000 GP <-- Weird!

That puts Strae at just a bit more than Jayse and less than everyone else. I'm good with that regardless of what you guys ultimately decide to do.

If you guys want me to offer my opinion on "what I would do" as a player, let me know. I'm trying to stay out of this because it isn't a DM decision.


STONE-FACED KILLA

And even weirder...

If you take those two Salyer Arrows out of Jofram's total, it comes to ~27,000 GP.


DM

OK, that is a bit freaky.


Orin Vanderwhal wrote:
Jayse wrote:

Unless Ushari does, in fact, want to buy it out-right. Then we could consider it hers.

Though if we go that route I'd say we charge her the price that we'd get if we sold it off... that seems the most fair.

I agree

Consider this done. Ushari likes the dagger as it used to be Dinwat's :)


STONE-FACED KILLA

Cool. When we get to the details of the trade-in/gear-up phase, we'll include that in the plan.


HP: 51/79 | | Anatomist (+1 to confirm Crits) | | Fav. Enemy +4 = Humans, Half-Humans, Undead

Jayse-

Jofram has an Arrow of Greater Slaying - Fey. The Golem one was fired, but I suppose there was chance to recover it.


DM

Once an arrow like that is fired and hits, it is destroyed.

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