Gretlin Scherer |
Hello, Pathfinders.
With this PFS character, I took advantage of the loophole, making it possible to achieve early entry to the Mystic Theurge career, by using special abilities and racial abilities to qualify. The Tiefling character qualified after getting one level of Sorcerer and two levels of Oracle. Three levels were needed to get the skill requirements; being a Tiefling and able to cast Darkness, I qualified under the "cast 2nd level arcane spell" requirement, and being a wood druid with "Warp Wood" I qualified under the "cast 2nd level divine spell" requirement.
The old version of the FAQ, with the exact wording permitting this, is here: http://www.unseelie.org/assorted-rpg/Gretlin/FAQ.pdf
with a spell-like ability count as being able to cast that spell for
the purpose of prerequisites or requirements?
Yes.
For example, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat.
Edit 7/12/13: The design team is aware that the above answer means that certain races can gain access to some spellcaster prestige classes earlier than the default minimum (character level 6). Given that prestige classes are usually a sub-optimal character choice
(especially for spellcasters), the design team is allowing this FAQ ruling for prestige classes.
If there is in-play evidence that this ruling is creating characters that are too powerful, the design team may revisit whether or not to allow spell-like abilities to count for prestige class requirements."
The last time I played this character was November. But in February the FAQ changed, making my build retroactively illegal.
Only if the pre-requisite calls out the name of a spell explicitly. For instance, the Dimensional Agility feat (Ultimate Combat) has "ability to use the abundant step class feature or cast dimension door" as a prerequisite; a barghest has dimension door as a spell-like ability, so the barghest meets the "able to cast dimension door prerequisite for that feat. However, the barghest's dimension door would not meet requirements such as "Ability to cast 4th level spells" or "Ability to cast arcane spells". posted Feb 18, 2015
So before I play this character again (soon, I hope), I am trying to figure out:
What must I re-write?
What may I rewrite?
andreww |
Pretty much, the SLA's you have no longer qualify you for entry into MT. If you still want to do it you are looking at Oracle4/Sorcerer4/MT which is basically awful from a mechanical point of view.
Your better option is to probably retrain out of either Oracle or Sorcerer and continue on as a single classed character.
Jeff Merola |
Pretty much, the SLA's you have no longer qualify you for entry into MT. If you still want to do it you are looking at Oracle4/Sorcerer4/MT which is basically awful from a mechanical point of view.
Your better option is to probably retrain out of either Oracle or Sorcerer and continue on as a single classed character.
Andreww, the character sheet is shown to have 5 levels of MT already. If that was the state of the character when it was last played before the FAQ change then their SLAs still qualify them for the class and they can play as though no change happened.
andreww |
andreww wrote:Andreww, the character sheet is shown to have 5 levels of MT already. If that was the state of the character when it was last played before the FAQ change then their SLAs still qualify them for the class and they can play as though no change happened.Pretty much, the SLA's you have no longer qualify you for entry into MT. If you still want to do it you are looking at Oracle4/Sorcerer4/MT which is basically awful from a mechanical point of view.
Your better option is to probably retrain out of either Oracle or Sorcerer and continue on as a single classed character.
Sure, although the post strongly suggested no levels in MT had yet been taken.
Gretlin Scherer |
Jeff Merola wrote:Andreww, the character sheet is shown to have 5 levels of MT already. If that was the state of the character when it was last played before the FAQ change then their SLAs still qualify them for the class and they can play as though no change happened.Sure, although the post strongly suggested no levels in MT had yet been taken.
The levels had already been taken. As I wrote, "The last time I played this character was November."
If you played at least one level as a Mystic Theurge before the change (I assume you did, as your sheet shows you as level 8), you do not have to do anything, as you were grandfathered in. If you didn't, then there is no rebuild of any kind, you just can't progress as planned.
Thanks, everyone, for addressing my question.
But I am left with one remaining question: Is there a policy statement anywhere saying that "If you played at least one level as a Mystic Theurge before the change you do not have to do anything, as you were grandfathered in?" I hope to be able to show some documentation if I happen to be challenged at a session.
Thanks!
LazarX |
andreww wrote:Jeff Merola wrote:Andreww, the character sheet is shown to have 5 levels of MT already. If that was the state of the character when it was last played before the FAQ change then their SLAs still qualify them for the class and they can play as though no change happened.Sure, although the post strongly suggested no levels in MT had yet been taken.The levels had already been taken. As I wrote, "The last time I played this character was November."
Jeff Merola wrote:If you played at least one level as a Mystic Theurge before the change (I assume you did, as your sheet shows you as level 8), you do not have to do anything, as you were grandfathered in. If you didn't, then there is no rebuild of any kind, you just can't progress as planned.Thanks, everyone, for addressing my question.
But I am left with one remaining question: Is there a policy statement anywhere saying that "If you played at least one level as a Mystic Theurge before the change you do not have to do anything, as you were grandfathered in?" I hope to be able to show some documentation if I happen to be challenged at a session.
Thanks!
It's in the blog post that states that SLA's no longer qualify. There's no separate grandfatherig document, but its all in the post.
Jeff Merola |
Thanks, everyone, for addressing my question.
But I am left with one remaining question: Is there a policy statement anywhere saying that "If you played at least one level as a Mystic Theurge before the change you do not have to do anything, as you were grandfathered in?" I hope to be able to show some documentation if I happen to be challenged at a session.
Thanks!