Would Paizo consider acquiring rights to other settings?


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Shadow Lodge

I'd say this is pretty much a no, give the wealth of material Paizo generate for they're own setting. But would it be in the realms of possibility that Pazio would acquire the rights to publish material for D&D settings such as Ravenloft or Al-Qadim? (Such as the situation that the swords and sorcery imprint got into with Ravenloft)


The chance of Hasbro letting WotC outsource recalled settings is probably slim to none.

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Paizo published Dragon and Dungeon Magazines under a license for WOTC for five years, so I'm sure they're familiar with it. I'm also sure that, while they haven't said anything bridge-burning in public, they don't want to rest a significant amount of the business on the goodwill of a competitor any more.

Grand Lodge

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The cost of acquiring the licenses, even if WotC were willing to, would probably be too much for Paizo to handle. Also, I don't think Paizo has the capability to publish MORE stuff, so anything they did for another setting would be at the expense of Golarion. And they just aren't going to even think of it before they have reached a point where they have their own campaign setting comfortably fleshed out.

Dark Archive

There i enough of Golarian that still hasn't been covered that I doubt Paizo will branch out into other worlds. When they do I think it's very likely that they will expand on the other populated worlds in the Golaran system before they do anything else. Besides, most of what the OP wants can be done in Golarian as it is. Qadira is already set up to provide tons of Al-Qadim style excitement and there are realms where gothic horror is the genre of the day, and so on and so forth. About the only old D&D setting that I don't think could be played in Golarian is Red Steel and Dark Sun.

Edit: And if I wrong I hope someone will tell me how to do it.

Grand Lodge

I would have to agree that it's not likely to happen. Wizards is re-releasing Dark Sun this year, so they are likely to want to hold on to rights for all their existing campaigns, just in case. And I don't see any benefit to Paizo from such an arrangement.


ugly child wrote:
I'd say this is pretty much a no, give the wealth of material Paizo generate for they're own setting. But would it be in the realms of possibility that Pazio would acquire the rights to publish material for D&D settings such as Ravenloft or Al-Qadim? (Such as the situation that the swords and sorcery imprint got into with Ravenloft)

Al-Qadim was "shoe-horned" into being a part of the Forgotten Realms and WotC has it's own plans for Ravenloft

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Matt Drozdowski wrote:
WotC has it's own plans for Ravenloft

WOTC has been retooling Ravenloft themes and setting pieces for the 4e core D&D cosmology for a while now, as well.


I think you have a better chance of Paizo getting something that is not currently owned by WoTC

Perhaps Mass Effect or something like that

I can dream about Star Wars or Marvel Super Heroes but that seems very unlikely


MerrikCale wrote:

I think you have a better chance of Paizo getting something that is not currently owned by WoTC

Perhaps Mass Effect or something like that

I can dream about Star Wars or Marvel Super Heroes but that seems very unlikely

I was thinking Iron Kingdoms, myself.


Old Guy GM wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:

I think you have a better chance of Paizo getting something that is not currently owned by WoTC

Perhaps Mass Effect or something like that

I can dream about Star Wars or Marvel Super Heroes but that seems very unlikely

I was thinking Iron Kingdoms, myself.

I don't know much about Iron Kingdoms. Are they still in print?

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MerrikCale wrote:
I can dream about Star Wars or Marvel Super Heroes but that seems very unlikely

Paizo published Star Wars Insider, as well. Like I said above, they've avoided burning bridges, but they've expressed a desire to avoid tying the company's fortunes to the goodwill of a licensor.

MerrikCale wrote:
I don't know much about Iron Kingdoms. Are they still in print?

No, not in RPG form. Warmachine is still around, though.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Paizo spent its first five years or so exclusively working with licenses for other settings. It was fun, but it was also kind of perilous, because we had to submit everything we did for approval to the license holders and, in the end, all licenses end.

With Golarion, we get to do what we think is best and take risks and enjoy all of the rewards. And we don't have to worry about the license not being renewed. It's a MUCH safer and more stable way to run an RPG business. We're very unlikely to go looking into acquiring rights to other settings as a result. Been there, done that.


James Jacobs wrote:

Paizo spent its first five years or so exclusively working with licenses for other settings. It was fun, but it was also kind of perilous, because we had to submit everything we did for approval to the license holders and, in the end, all licenses end.

With Golarion, we get to do what we think is best and take risks and enjoy all of the rewards. And we don't have to worry about the license not being renewed. It's a MUCH safer and more stable way to run an RPG business. We're very unlikely to go looking into acquiring rights to other settings as a result. Been there, done that.

OK, but in a few years when you have really played around with Golarion, would you consider creating another setting?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

MerrikCale wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Paizo spent its first five years or so exclusively working with licenses for other settings. It was fun, but it was also kind of perilous, because we had to submit everything we did for approval to the license holders and, in the end, all licenses end.

With Golarion, we get to do what we think is best and take risks and enjoy all of the rewards. And we don't have to worry about the license not being renewed. It's a MUCH safer and more stable way to run an RPG business. We're very unlikely to go looking into acquiring rights to other settings as a result. Been there, done that.

OK, but in a few years when you have really played around with Golarion, would you consider creating another setting?

Maybe. We're FAR more likely to just add to Golarion though by detailing other continents or planets. Which is what we're already doing... the request above for us to take over Al-Qadim, for example... we've already GOT an Arabian Nights setting in Golarion, and indeed already did a six-part Adventure Path set there.


James Jacobs wrote:
Maybe. We're FAR more likely to just add to Golarion though by detailing other continents or planets. Which is what we're already doing... the request above for us to take over Al-Qadim, for example... we've already GOT an Arabian Nights setting in Golarion, and indeed already did a six-part Adventure Path set there.

Bold emphasis mine.

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Urizen wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Maybe. We're FAR more likely to just add to Golarion though by detailing other continents or planets. Which is what we're already doing... the request above for us to take over Al-Qadim, for example... we've already GOT an Arabian Nights setting in Golarion, and indeed already did a six-part Adventure Path set there.
Bold emphasis mine.

Paging John Carter, Mr John Carter, will you please pick up the red courtesy phone, paging John Carter....


Twowlves wrote:
Urizen wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Maybe. We're FAR more likely to just add to Golarion though by detailing other continents or planets. Which is what we're already doing... the request above for us to take over Al-Qadim, for example... we've already GOT an Arabian Nights setting in Golarion, and indeed already did a six-part Adventure Path set there.
Bold emphasis mine.
Paging John Carter, Mr John Carter, will you please pick up the red courtesy phone, paging John Carter....

Akiton! Akiton!

And Castrovel while we're at it. :)


Someone should put Todd Stewart to work. Pronto! :D


well another planet is sort of a new setting really


MerrikCale wrote:
well another planet is sort of a new setting really

Care to educate the uninitiated?


Urizen wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
well another planet is sort of a new setting really
Care to educate the uninitiated?

what do you mean?

there is a pathfinder article about the different planets in the solar system. If they decide to flesh out a whole new planet, that would be very much like a whole new setting


MerrikCale wrote:
Urizen wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
well another planet is sort of a new setting really
Care to educate the uninitiated?

what do you mean?

there is a pathfinder article about the different planets in the solar system. If they decide to flesh out a whole new planet, that would be very much like a whole new setting

Where does this appear?


Does that mean we're going to get some Spelljammer type stuff?


TheChozyn wrote:

Does that mean we're going to get some Spelljammer type stuff?

There are 3PPs working on that right now. As for Paizo? *shrugs*


It's in one of the Second Darkness adventures. 3 or 4, maybe?

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

Jonathon Vining wrote:
It's in one of the Second Darkness adventures. 3 or 4, maybe?

James Sutter's "Into the Black" article in Pathfinder #14-Children of the Void, pages 48-55.

Solar system article on PathfinderWiki.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

The article about Golarion's solar system appears in Pathfinder #14. The information (including the map of the solar system) will be compressed and represented somewhat in the upcoming Pathfinder Campaign Setting revision as well, but for now, Pathfinder #14's article (which includes stats for several aliens as new monsters!) is the go-to place for info on the other planets.

Shadow Lodge

Thanks for the quick response. I am currently getting through your setting material. But I'll always be going back to those settings that have got their talons into me long ago.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

One of the mistakes that ultimately led to the failure of TSR was their proliferation of campaign settings—their customers self-identified as a Realms player or a Greyhawk player, or whatever, and would only consider material specifically branded to them. Towards the end, they had more than half a dozen campaign settings to support, and that meant that more and more of the books they were publishing were appealing to a smaller and smaller subset of their customers, which meant it was harder for them to make any money on any given book.

This is a large part of why we created a campaign setting that itself supports many flavors and styles of play. If we want to do a vampire-themed adventure, for example, we can do that within our current setting, and without automatically excluding half our customers.

There will not be a proliferation of campaign settings here at Paizo.


Vic Wertz wrote:


There will not be a proliferation of campaign settings here at Paizo.

Huzzah!!! =D


Urizen wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
Urizen wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
well another planet is sort of a new setting really
Care to educate the uninitiated?

what do you mean?

there is a pathfinder article about the different planets in the solar system. If they decide to flesh out a whole new planet, that would be very much like a whole new setting

Where does this appear?

ah

my apologies, I was not sure what you were asking but yes, the answer is above. And the article is fascinating

Liberty's Edge

Slatz Grubnik wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:


There will not be a proliferation of campaign settings here at Paizo.
Huzzah!!! =D

There is a lot to be said for NOT fragmenting the market. I think that TSR felt a need to just produce new games and settings, and never really found out what the customers wanted. I think Paizo is doing a much better job of listening to its customers.

I can probably adapt a lot of the old adventures from 2nd or 3rd Edition to Golarion or run something with a similar theme. (As for Reed Steel, maybe one could use Katapesh in a home game -- they are very mercantile. And there is enough land mass on Golarion to have a region as messed up on a smaller scale as Athas. (Perhaps a geographically isolated desert island or other area might work.)


William Ronald wrote:
Slatz Grubnik wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:


There will not be a proliferation of campaign settings here at Paizo.
Huzzah!!! =D

There is a lot to be said for NOT fragmenting the market. I think that TSR felt a need to just produce new games and settings, and never really found out what the customers wanted. I think Paizo is doing a much better job of listening to its customers.

I can probably adapt a lot of the old adventures from 2nd or 3rd Edition to Golarion or run something with a similar theme. (As for Reed Steel, maybe one could use Katapesh in a home game -- they are very mercantile. And there is enough land mass on Golarion to have a region as messed up on a smaller scale as Athas. (Perhaps a geographically isolated desert island or other area might work.)

Amen to that Vic!

You guys have your plate full with Golarion and the last thing I and many players like me want is a new Campaign setting/world.

Keep doing what your doing and we wont mind buying your great products on a monthy basis.


+1 to all that. (hope I'm using the convention correctly)

Given the richness and diversity of Golarian in just a few years of existence, spanning a multitude of various cultural and genre based campaigns, I can't see why Paizo would ever want anyone else's IP.
In the past year, the campaign world has really come into it's own and with each Chronicle and Adventure Path release, I find myself missing certain specifics of FR less and less.

No other company listens to it's fans more than Paizo and their policy of transparency, gamer involvement with playtesting, and continued presence and appreciation of customer feedback on this messageboard is truly what sets them apart.

At the risk of getting chapped lips, I'm really pleased with the care that's being given to their own IP.

Ustalav is my new Ravenloft, so I'm now offically Golarian exclusive for my fantasy RPG fix. :)

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
Twowlves wrote:


Paging John Carter, Mr John Carter, will you please pick up the red courtesy phone, paging John Carter....

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...


James Jacobs wrote:

Paizo spent its first five years or so exclusively working with licenses for other settings. It was fun, but it was also kind of perilous, because we had to submit everything we did for approval to the license holders and, in the end, all licenses end.

With Golarion, we get to do what we think is best and take risks and enjoy all of the rewards. And we don't have to worry about the license not being renewed. It's a MUCH safer and more stable way to run an RPG business. We're very unlikely to go looking into acquiring rights to other settings as a result. Been there, done that.

Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

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Brian E. Harris wrote:
Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

Paizo did Star Wars Insider for about a year and a half.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Until Paizo began producing the Golarion material I was a FR fan. All my campaigns were there and I enjoyed the setting. I find Golarion to be superior to any setting I have used. I own almost all the TSR settings and although they all have something unique and fun - I am really enjoying this new world unfolding.

I have quieted down about this for the past couple of years but...

Give me the red planet, the sooner the better.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Brian E. Harris wrote:
Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

Absolutely. As A Man In Black mentions, we DID have a Star Wars magazine license for a while, and when Lucasfilm took that license back in house (to control it more tightly, I believe, at about the point that one of the prequels were coming out), things got pretty scary and rough at Paizo for a bit... possibly on par with when WotC decided not to renew the D&D magazine licenses. It was not a happy time at Paizo in either case.

While working on Star Wars stuff and D&D stuff WAS very fun and exciting and rewarding, it was also stressful... especially when those licenses ended. I'm relatively sure no one here wants to set us up for a "threepeat" by getting deeply involved with licensed properties again.

Silver Crusade

James Jacobs wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

Absolutely. As A Man In Black mentions, we DID have a Star Wars magazine license for a while, and when Lucasfilm took that license back in house (to control it more tightly, I believe, at about the point that one of the prequels were coming out), things got pretty scary and rough at Paizo for a bit... possibly on par with when WotC decided not to renew the D&D magazine licenses. It was not a happy time at Paizo in either case.

While working on Star Wars stuff and D&D stuff WAS very fun and exciting and rewarding, it was also stressful... especially when those licenses ended. I'm relatively sure no one here wants to set us up for a "threepeat" by getting deeply involved with licensed properties again.

As long as the thread is on the subject of Golarion's neighboring planets and Star Wars at the moment...

Any hopes of either the red or green planets getting a Twi'lek analogue race? :D


Any estimates on how soon we will see some of the other continents on Golarion mapped and fleshed out? (ie. Tian Xia, Arcadia, Azlant, Casmaron, etc ..).

The Exchange

James Jacobs wrote:
I'm relatively sure no one here wants to set us up for a "threepeat" by getting deeply involved with licensed properties again.

I do not blame you!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

ggroy wrote:
Any estimates on how soon we will see some of the other continents on Golarion mapped and fleshed out? (ie. Tian Xia, Arcadia, Azlant, Casmaron, etc ..).

Nope. Not yet, at least, and not anything I want to make public yet.


Too be honest, I'm not sure how PF would translate to the sci-fi or "modern" genre any better than current d20 games, but I'm very interested in hearing opinions.

Pathfinder is an incredibly innovative advancement of the 3.5 D&D ruleset, which has had 10 years of evolution to begin with. For us 3.5 gamers (and now PF gamers), this is truly a golden age. Above the rules refinement, Paizo is cutting edge as far as getting the best adventure authors in the industry today.

As far as sci-fi RPGs ,however, the only other game I play is Star Wars using the Saga Rules and for my game group it works great.
Why? This genre is arguably more sci-fantasy than true science fiction and, as such, it demands a more cinematic, pulpy, lightness that lends itself better to the d20 modern (talent tree) style of play.

Great for Star Wars, but NOT for my beloved fantasy roleplaying, thank you..

Pathfinder for fantasy.
SW saga (d20 modern) for my sci-fi.

Keep my corn out my potatoes Mom !!

As an aside...
Most of us know that SW saga was a ruleset testing ground for 4E, but what WOTC didn't know is that they would end up with a great sci-fi game in the process. That was truly A success. Yes, A success. :)


James Jacobs wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

Absolutely. As A Man In Black mentions, we DID have a Star Wars magazine license for a while, and when Lucasfilm took that license back in house (to control it more tightly, I believe, at about the point that one of the prequels were coming out), things got pretty scary and rough at Paizo for a bit... possibly on par with when WotC decided not to renew the D&D magazine licenses. It was not a happy time at Paizo in either case.

While working on Star Wars stuff and D&D stuff WAS very fun and exciting and rewarding, it was also stressful... especially when those licenses ended. I'm relatively sure no one here wants to set us up for a "threepeat" by getting deeply involved with licensed properties again.

Understood, but Lucas is a little kooky and a control freak compared to some others


James Jacobs wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Does that same attitude hold towards the Star Wars RPG license? I'm just curious if that's one of the few possible exceptions...

Absolutely. As A Man In Black mentions, we DID have a Star Wars magazine license for a while, and when Lucasfilm took that license back in house (to control it more tightly, I believe, at about the point that one of the prequels were coming out), things got pretty scary and rough at Paizo for a bit... possibly on par with when WotC decided not to renew the D&D magazine licenses. It was not a happy time at Paizo in either case.

While working on Star Wars stuff and D&D stuff WAS very fun and exciting and rewarding, it was also stressful... especially when those licenses ended. I'm relatively sure no one here wants to set us up for a "threepeat" by getting deeply involved with licensed properties again.

Yup - I was familiar with the magazine. I wasn't sure, with the RPG license being "available" in a few months, if the RPG itself was incentive enough to license again.

I didn't know if the situation today (coupled with the fan level of some Paizo staffers) would warrant that - having the highly successful PF APs and RPG to rely on as the core business, and the SW RPG as a new/additional product.

Off Topic:
If Paizo isn't looking to pick it up, any interesting industry gossip rumors as to anyone who is? Lucasfilm's statement on the role of the RPG made it sound like there's already been a lot of activity in that area.

Dark Archive

When we do branch out into the solar system I hope Castrovel gets worked on first (half naked psionic lizard riding chicks for the win.) After that I would like to see Akiton worked on because I imagine it as having a Barsoom meets Dark Sun sort of feel.


Vic Wertz wrote:
One of the mistakes that ultimately led to the failure of TSR was their proliferation of campaign settings—their customers self-identified as a Realms player or a Greyhawk player, or whatever, and would only consider material specifically branded to them.

Which Wizards of the Coast settled with the Spellplague...

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