| Faagaki Heitoka |
| Male Advanced Undine Cleric 2 |
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Just curious, what about my perception when I looked around before asking her?
| Herkymr the Silly |
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@ All: I guess I didn't realize that heim applied the 1/2 dragon template which is needed for his toon and story when he created him.
So: to even the playing field we have several options.
you may pick one:
1) add a template that brings your total ECL to 1 (1/2 dragon, 1/2 celestial, fiendish, and the like.
or
2) you may take an additional level in your class.
Just let me know what you decide and adjust sheets as needed.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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Half-Dragon are CR +2
| Jim Seeker |
| Male Halfling Ninja 1 |
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I'm not familiar with these templates. Someone help me out? Links or info appreciated.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/monsterAdvancement.html
but half Dragon is always two levels lost to the temple
means wile we are all level 3 in class the half dragon in the party is level 1 in class as two levels of XP are taken to the template
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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What we should all use if your doing custom race stuff is use the
raceBuilder
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/raceBuilder.html
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/arg-creating-new-races
| Herkymr the Silly |
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So then would it be easier to simply ask him to remove the template? I am up for suggestions at this point. It is ultimately your game so what ya think?
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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yep or we all start at level three, or we have the same 2 levers of template,
Best way is us
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/arg-creating-new-races
with 13 points, means he can be that shape and look, just have a race name. As it is hes PC is way more powerful than ours as a build.
Tiefling is a 13 RP point build.
creating-new-races#example-tiefling
Drop half Dragon and have Dragon like race in its place.
Dragon (10 RP)
A dragon is a reptilian creature with magical or unusual abilities. A dragon race has the following features.
Dragons have the darkvision 60 feet racial trait.
Dragons have the low-light vision racial trait.
Dragons are immune to magical sleep effects and paralysis effects.
Dragons breathe, eat, and sleep.
Normal Speed (0 RP): The race has a base speed of 30 feet.
Weakness (–1 RP): Members of this race gain a +2 bonus to one physical ability score, a +2 bonus to one mental ability score, and a –4 penalty to any other ability score.
So +2 Str +2Wis -4Cha
Xenophobic (0 RP): Members of this race start with their racial language only. Races without a racial language cannot take this array. Furthermore, choose up to four languages (except for Druidic or other secret languages), one of which must be Common (or Undercommon, if the race is native to the Darklands). Members of this race with high Intelligence scores can choose from any of these additional languages.
Flight (4 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race have a fly speed of 30 feet with clumsy maneuverability.
Special: This trait can be taken more than once. For each additional 2 RP spent, the race's fly speed increases by +10 feet, and the maneuverability improves by one step.
13RP
its some thing like the above or you gave us all 2 more levels
What I am saying is all our PCs come in at llRP wile Heimdallr Kralkatorrikson comes in a 40+RP that 4 times as power full.
Dragon (10 RP)
A dragon is a reptilian creature with magical or unusual abilities.
A dragon race has the following features:
Dragons have the darkvision 60 feet racial trait.
Dragons have the low-light vision racial trait.
Dragons are immune to magical sleep effects and paralysis effects.
Dragons breathe, eat, and sleep.
Medium (0 RP)
Medium races have no bonuses or penalties due to their size. A Medium creature has a space of 5 feet by 5 feet and a reach of 5 feet.
Normal Speed (0 RP)
The race has a base speed of 30 feet.
Advanced (4 RP)
Prerequisites: Advanced or monstrous power level.
Modifiers: Pick either mental or physical ability scores. Members of this race gain a +2 bonus to all of those scores, a +4 bonus to one score of the other type, and a –2 penalty to one other ability score of the other type.
Xenophobic (0 RP)
Members of this race start with their racial language only. Races without a racial language cannot take this array. Furthermore, choose up to four languages (except for Druidic or other secret languages), one of which must be Common (or Undercommon, if the race is native to the Darklands). Members of this race with high Intelligence scores can choose from any of these additional languages.
Advanced Strength (4 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race receive a +2 racial bonus to Strength.
Special: This bonus can be taken multiple times, but each additional time it is taken, its cost increases by 1 RP. Its effects stack.
Fiendish Resistance (3 RP)
Prerequisites: Outsider (native) with ties to Abaddon, the Abyss, or Hell.
Benefit: Members of this race gain cold resistance 5, electricity resistance 5, and fire resistance 5.
Natural Armor (2 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race gain a +1 natural armor bonus to their Armor Class.
Flight (6 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race have a fly speed of 30 feet with clumsy maneuverability.
Special: This trait can be taken more than once. For each additional 2 RP spent, the race's fly speed increases by +10 feet, and the maneuverability improves by one step.
Breath Weapon (1 RP)
Prerequisites: Aberration, construct, dragon, humanoid (reptilian), monstrous humanoid, or outsider (native) with ties to an elemental plane.
Benefit: Choose one of the following energy types: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. If the creature is an outsider (native), it must have ties to an elemental plane, and it must pick an energy that corresponds to the plane it has ties to (acid [earth], cold [water], electricity [air], or fire [fire]). Then pick either a 15-foot cone or a 20-foot line. Once per day, as a standard action, members of this race can make a supernatural breath weapon attack that deals 1d6 points of the damage type chosen in the area chosen. All creatures within the affected area must make a Reflex saving throw to avoid taking damage. The save DC against this breath weapon is 10 + 1/2 the user's character level + the user's Constitution modifier. Those who succeed at the save take no damage from the attack.
Special: You can take this trait more than once. Each time you do so, the cost of this trait increases by 1 RP. When do, you can augment the breath weapon in the following ways (augmentations marked with an asterisk [] can be taken more than once).
Extra Breath: The member of this race can use its breath weapon an additional time per day.
Increased Area: Increase the cone's size to 30 feet or the line to 50 feet.
Increased Damage: Increase the damage by an additional d6.
Powerful Breath: The breath weapon deals half damage on a failed saving throw.
Bite (1 RP)
Prerequisites: Small or larger size.
Benefit: Members of this race gain a natural bite attack, dealing damage equivalent to that of a creature two size categories lower than normal for their size (1d2 for Small races, 1d3 for Medium, etc.). The bite is a primary attack, or a secondary attack if the creature is wielding manufactured weapons.
Special: This trait can be taken up to two times. The second time it is taken, the bite damage increases by one size category.
Claws (2 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race receive two claw attacks. These are primary natural attacks. The damage is based on the creature's size.
Scent (4 RP)
Prerequisites: None.
Benefit: Members of this race gain the scent ability.
37RP
As you can see his PC is just about 3x as powerful as ours at 1st level
| Herkymr the Silly |
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yep thus wanting a group consensus as to how we go about balancing it. Thanks for the awesome specifics breakdown. It should help us all know what we are looking at.
| Faagaki Heitoka |
| Male Advanced Undine Cleric 2 |
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My own opinion us that at this point it's up to Heimdallr. If the dragoon-like recreation is acceptable to him as part of his character concept, then that's the easy fix. Rebuild one character instead of 4. If he feels it's essential as it is-and you're willing to let it stand-give us the two level adjustment. But in the end I'm good with whatever.
| Jim Seeker |
| Male Halfling Ninja 1 |
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I think the custom race thing makes the most sense, so we don't have to mess with a lot of mechanics or extra levels.
| Ghorum Kraak |
| Male Dwarf Ranger 1 (Skirmisher) |
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The custom race thing does sound like the most fair option, for all of us really.
| --Heimdallr-- |
| Male Dovalka Tribesman (Druid:1) Druid |
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I think this option is reasonable.
Though I would like to be able to revert back to the original design when the appropriate level has been reached by the group. So I propose that for the duration that we are level 1, I take the redesigned race as suggested. Upon reaching level 2, instead of taking a level I take an additional hit dice so as to not be lagging behind the group. Once we reach level 3 I revert back to my original build. It's fair to the group, I eventually get the character build I wanted, and since I use hero lab all it takes to implement is clicking some buttons. Is this agreeable to everyone?
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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I think in that case we just level to 3, nothing wrong in that, a lot of games start at higher levels than one and its no so much a rebuild for the rest of us. + if you wish to add half/what ever guys you can.
Me I vote we take 3 levels or get to spend 40Rp on out own custom race's (never done that before and sounds fun) That way every one gets 40 points and PC with Level hit of 2.
well thats my vote
| Herkymr the Silly |
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So it sounds like heim you keep yours as it is. everyone else level upto three or use templates to reach that level total,
If you all want use the RP and build appropriate to match..I do have final say or override though I doubt I will need it.
If this is a mmendable to all then lets do it.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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KK GM
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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I think I may go for half-celestial Fox just for the madness of it, just love the idea of a celestial Fox, Im going to play it so her wings are part of her Fox form only, when she shifts to human no wings, just seems a lot more fun and in keeping with her id, She will really be like thing out of myth
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/half-celestial
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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Ok all done, she looks cool now, Note wile in Human form that's just what she looks like, and some out side parts of being a half-celestial Fox do not show and are not usable like Bite and wings, shes looking cool and I like her, its nice to have a PC with two sides thats not and undead or Ware-something.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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O dear :)
| --Heimdallr-- |
| Male Dovalka Tribesman (Druid:1) Druid |
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Ware-dorf! By day, unassuming dwarf with beardly might. But should he be drafted into the militia, he becomes super-dorf, Superdorfenly strong and capable of grabbing and throwing a goblin by its eyelids across entire fields to splat against the nearest solid object!
Miya, do I understand correctly that your avatar is now your human form appearance? I read your original backstory and it looked like it was something you tried to hide. Also, the half-celestial template is really awesome! I also play a half-celestial wood elementalist which is awesome.
| --Heimdallr-- |
| Male Dovalka Tribesman (Druid:1) Druid |
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Given my characters knowledge of the outside world you could be anything. But I was not referring to you, I just snuck in a dwarf fortress reference.
| Ghorum Kraak |
| Male Dwarf Ranger 1 (Skirmisher) |
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He most def'nitly NOT!! Hells, the boy barely has any facial hair! ;-)
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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Thats how she looks when in Fox form, none of you have seen her as such, shes always in human form around humans, like in the inn but looking at the group I think human may not be a problem once outside.
So yes that her fox look but shes only looks like that once in a wile.
Me bad with the Dwarf think have no Idea why I thought you where I ready your pc race line. Must have had a brain-fart.
On another not my EngD supervise just called me and said I need to get my ass going to get it done. So I may be posting less or cutting down other games not this one I like this one.
| Ghorum Kraak |
| Male Dwarf Ranger 1 (Skirmisher) |
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Sorry for the delay in updating Ghorum. Should be soon (2 overnight shifts on the ER)
| Tess Le'Blanc |
| Female Dwarf Alchemist / 1 |
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as soon as i get home ill update tess. still in the field (damn uncle sam lol)
| Herkymr the Silly |
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looks good jim. n
o worries Tess and Ghorum
I am focused somewhat on family for a bit. still trying to do some of this during the time
my wife is due to have a kiddo between this sunday and next so things are abit chaotic getting ready for that and visiting family seemsing they all live out of state.
I do appreciate you all taking initiative with game. It helps me to see personality and how your character interacts with the world. Thus I am better able to tailor what we are doing to fit and be fun I hope
| Ghorum Kraak |
| Male Dwarf Ranger 1 (Skirmisher) |
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Best Wishes for you and da Missus! We'll be fine here, so focus on the important stuff now.
Besides, it gives me a chance for more prep work for my face-to-face game of Rise of the Runelords.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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being a dad myself and having done this I think that will be it for about 3 mouths Herkymr, Really if this baby is number 1 your going to find a new level of tired you never knew you could get in about 6 weeks.
now hope all gos well.
| Herkymr the Silly |
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mah this is number 2
I am used to being tired and such due to working swing shift and never getting home til midnight. Just gonna get wife stable and back from birth center. She is off with kiddo for 3 months and knows this is my means of staying sane..gaming...so I will be back before real long.
| Tess Le'Blanc |
| Female Dwarf Alchemist / 1 |
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Ok im back home and mostly alive. (the jury is still out on that one)
Imma lvl tess to lvl 3 no need to try and confuse my poor brain anymore then it already is
| Herkymr the Silly |
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Tess. you are able to gather and buy the items needed to make 1d12 fireworks of the same kind you have. price is cost of firework x number of fireworks minus 1/4 the overall price. That would be for the total number you roll. if you do not wish to purchase that amount, after giving me the rolls here, then tell me how many and the cost.
| Tess Le'Blanc |
| Female Dwarf Alchemist / 1 |
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Ill buy what i can. reallyd dint spend much on gear lol
guess its Fcost*4/.25 then whats the cost of one firework or did you tell me already
| Ghorum Kraak |
| Male Dwarf Ranger 1 (Skirmisher) |
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hey guys, sorry for not posting once things started back up.
I think I'm gonna bow out for a while, as my time will be limited for a bi. This is job related, so its going to be eating into my time quite a bit. So I'd rather let another have a chance to play. I think Jim and I had a neat concept, but I don't want to be the one to hold things up.
I'm OK with Ghorum being NPC'd, just let me know and I'll repost his statblock (I noticed it got deleted somehow while I was away?! - no idea if I did that or what...)
If things clear up for me sooner than expected, I'll post here.
Thanks for the opportunity.
| Faagaki Heitoka |
| Male Advanced Undine Cleric 2 |
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That's too bad. I know how it goes though. I hope you'll be able to come back. I really enjoyed the strange friendship between Ghorum and Jim, and think that we were all gonna make a great group.
| Miya Setsuko Fuyaki |
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Female Half-Celestial kitsune (outsider native) Bard L2 Status:
HP 19/19 | AC 19 | F +2 | R +8 | W +5 | Init +5 | Per +6 |
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come back when you have time we will be here old chap :)
| Tess Le'Blanc |
| Female Dwarf Alchemist / 1 |
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ok Herkymer firework cost is 1GP*4/.25 which if my math is right is 3 gold.
Thats for paper dragons. If i can pick up a desnan candle and/or a skyrocket i will do that also
| Jim Seeker |
| Male Halfling Ninja 1 |
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We can just have Ghorum pass out behind the bar, and wake up in a few levels when you get back.
In the meantime, I'll have to keep this rag-tag group alive I guess.
| Herkymr the Silly |
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Rl takes presidence. We will keep your spot available for you if you get the chance to come back. repost stats please and best luck.
| Herkymr the Silly |
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Heya kid still isnt here after a week overdue so we are pushing other ways of getting them here. Thus until after the kid comes I may be absent on my posting but expect to be posting fairly consistently in about a week hopefully.
| Faagaki Heitoka |
| Male Advanced Undine Cleric 2 |
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Just so everyone knows what's going on, DM is currently at the hospital and will soon have a baby. So we probably won't hear from him for a bit. But well get going again soonish.