Arctic Druid Domain + Channel Smite


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In PFS, can my Level 1 Druid with the Arctic Domain choose Channel Smite as their 1st level feat?

The Arctic Domain's Call Cold ability has a clause to prevent Druids from using similar feats, but I have no intention of actually using Channel Smite. I just need it to qualify for Guided Hand.

Here is the relevant text:

Ultimate Magic pg. 33 wrote:

Arctic Domain

Call Cold (Su): You can channel energy (as a cleric of your druid level) a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier, but only to heal creatures with the cold subtype or to command them (similar to using the Command Undead feat against undead). You can take other feats that add to this ability, such as Extra Channel and Improved Channel, but not feats that alter this ability, such as Elemental Channel and Alignment Channel. The DC to save against this ability is equal to 10 + 1/2 your druid level + your Charisma modifier.

Core Rulebook pg. 119 wrote:

Channel Smite

Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature.

Benefit: Before you make a melee attack roll, you can choose to spend one use of your channel energy ability as a swift action. If you channel positive energy and you hit an undead creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel positive energy ability. If you channel negative energy and you hit a living creature, that creature takes an amount of additional damage equal to the damage dealt by your channel negative energy ability. Your target can make a Will save, as normal, to halve this additional damage. If your attack misses, the channel energy ability is still expended with no effect.

Ultimate Combat pg. 103 wrote:

Guided Hand

Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, Channel Smite, proficiency with your deity’s favored weapon.

Benefit: With your deity’s favored weapon, you can use your Wisdom modifier instead of your Strength or Dexterity modifier on attack rolls.

Grand Lodge

A druid doesn't gain proficiency with their deity's favored weapon. So unless you intend to dip, in which case there's not a lot of reason to go with an Arctic Druid, you're kinda hosed...

Sczarni

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Your first problem is that you didn't read channel energy ability. "but only to heal creatures with the cold subtype or to command them" means that you cannot channel energy offensively.

Dark Archive

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Ms. Pleiades wrote:
A druid doesn't gain proficiency with their deity's favored weapon. So unless you intend to dip, in which case there's not a lot of reason to go with an Arctic Druid, you're kinda hosed...

Pharasma's favored weapon is Dagger. Druids are proficient with daggers.

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Malag wrote:
Your first problem is that you didn't read channel energy ability. "but only to heal creatures with the cold subtype or to command them" means that you cannot channel energy offensively.

That is correct. I don't think that this Druid would able to perform a Channel Smite attack.

Guided Hand requires you to have the Channel Smite feat, but I don't think it requires you to be able to use it.


This one's actually kinda tough.

It really boils down to whether the expenditure of one of your channel energy uses counts as:

1) An independent effect granted by the feat that has a cost of one of your channel energies
or
2) A feat that allows you to alter the use and effect of your channel energy

It could easily be read either way, imho, so expect table variation.

Sczarni

Well if you don't plan to use Channel Smite, then yes, you qualify for it I think. Guided Hand is however difficult to say. It's meant for clerics and their deities generally. My guess is that you should be able to take it, but it would depend on your GM's ruling.


I think it comes down to how you interpret the line talking about what feats/abilities you can/can't utilize with Cold Call. Extra Channel and Improved Channel are fine because they don't fundamentally alter the manner in which it functions, but rather add to the values, such as uses/day and DC. Channel Smite isn't adding to the channel ability, but rather fundamentally changing how it is used, thus I'd say Cold Call isn't valid as a prereq for Channel Smite.

Shadow Lodge

I'd agree. To me, the Feats that are listed improve the ability you already have, while the Alignment Channel, and Channel Smite alter it. Think about it like this, it gives you an entirely new ability to do something that uses a single pool.

Alignment Channel, allows you to Channel Energy to Heal/Harm the Living/Undead, or the ability to Heal/Harm Outsiders of a certain Alignment Subtype.

Channel Smite allows you to Channel Energy to Heal/Harm the Living/Undead as an area burst, or the ability to do so as a single melee attack, either/or, but uses a single pool for both.

So, technically, no. In PFS, no. I'd probably allow it in a homegame, though.

Grand Lodge

Gosh, even if you could use those feats together, why would you want to? You've strung together two of the worst channeling feats. Channel Smite only exists so that low-CHA negative-channeling battle clerics have at least some use for their channel energy class power. Guided Hand can be useful to at least score a hit, for low-STR high-WIS clerics, but what's the point of hitting when your STR is too low to inflict serious damage?


Dennis Deadsky wrote:

Gosh, even if you could use those feats together, why would you want to? You've strung together two of the worst channeling feats. Channel Smite only exists so that low-CHA negative-channeling battle clerics have at least some use for their channel energy class power. Guided Hand can be useful to at least score a hit, for low-STR high-WIS clerics, but what's the point of hitting when your STR is too low to inflict serious damage?

You can use Wisdom also with ranged weapons, avoiding to allotting too much in DEX.

For the OP, I'd say that with that ability you qualify for Channel Smite (you DO channel energy and the feat only asks for that in order to take it), but you won't ever be able to use its benefits (you do not channel Positive neither Negative energy) outside qualifying for other feats like Guided Hand indeed

Scarab Sages

You can't take channel smite with the arctic domain at first level, but you could any time after 6th level when you gain the banish flame ability to channel damage to fire.

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