Nightflier's Midnight Game Thread
Game Master nightflier

Cure Minor Wounds isn't a Pathfinder spell, though. Can we still take it?

Also, since 0 level spells are unlimited in PF, I would advise we do the 3.5 version of the 0 level spells, since it is a broken spell otherwise.

Pete the Runt wrote:

Cure Minor Wounds isn't a Pathfinder spell, though. Can we still take it?

Also, since 0 level spells are unlimited in PF, I would advise we do the 3.5 version of the 0 level spells, since it is a broken spell otherwise.

We never did get a ruling on that. Having 0th level spells be unlimited is a little wrong for midnight IMO. Keeping the "free for the first few times" way that Midnight does it would probably be best. Keeps magic on the restricted side, which Midnight does pretty severely.

Nightflier?

Pete the Runt wrote:

Cure Minor Wounds isn't a Pathfinder spell, though. Can we still take it?

Also, since 0 level spells are unlimited in PF, I would advise we do the 3.5 version of the 0 level spells, since it is a broken spell otherwise.

In Midnight there is no easy button. So we are given 3+ Spellcasting ability Modifier.

Gilian, I noticed you didn't have cure minor wounds on your spell list. Because you're the party healer I think it would be a good idea to ask Nightflier if you could switch one of your spells. If he says no or you don't want to that's fine, you could always learn it from Anvinder.

Also if you want to continue being an awesome healer there is a feat in the Complete Divine called Augment Healing. Prereq: heal 4 ranks, this was back in 3.5 edition so 1 rank now. Benefit: Any healing spell you cast gets a +2 bonus.

Now, with my amulet, the cure minor wound spell will be useful. I will just have to learn it from Anvinder for 25 xp when I reach level 2 and take the conjuration spellcasting power. I did not take it originaly to give more vaiety to the character as the other 0 spells would have seen more use in her previous life.

Good point also about the feat. I will think about it for the next levels.

Solvistania Elghreah wrote:

Pete the Runt wrote:

Cure Minor Wounds isn't a Pathfinder spell, though. Can we still take it?

Also, since 0 level spells are unlimited in PF, I would advise we do the 3.5 version of the 0 level spells, since it is a broken spell otherwise.

We never did get a ruling on that. Having 0th level spells be unlimited is a little wrong for midnight IMO. Keeping the "free for the first few times" way that Midnight does it would probably be best. Keeps magic on the restricted side, which Midnight does pretty severely.

Nightflier?

3 + spellcasting modifier seems more than appropriate for Midnight. Solvi and Gil will be pretty powerful spellcasters - more powerful than the norm, anyway - so they do not really need unlimited 0-level spells.

3 + spellcasting modifier seems more than appropriate for Midnight. Solvi and Gil will be pretty powerful spellcasters - more powerful than the norm, anyway - so they do not really need unlimited 0-level spells.

So to clarify, you get 3+mod 0th level spells per day that don't cost anything, and then they start costing one point each. That right?

nightflier wrote:

3 + spellcasting modifier seems more than appropriate for Midnight. Solvi and Gil will be pretty powerful spellcasters - more powerful than the norm, anyway - so they do not really need unlimited 0-level spells.

So to clarify, you get 3+mod 0th level spells per day that don't cost anything, and then they start costing one point each. That right?

Yes. Although there will be some ways to replenish 0-level spells more easier than those of higher levels, but that is separate matter.

Anvinder, please add text for your feats to your character sheet.

Em, ok so I know I came into the game late but now I got no equipment, no covenant item and will be behind by a level? You gave me some XP to start with but I dont think its very much compared to what everyone els has the jump for.

I only say this because if I had enough XP and became lvl 2 then I could do some cool dreamer stuff with Ragnar right now.

Level up: 1d10 ⇒ 9

Offensive tactics +1
Stunning Fist (class)
Defender Ability (speed training)
Dodge (class bonus)

Hit points: 1d8 ⇒ 4

Em, ok so I know I came into the game late but now I got no equipment, no covenant item and will be behind by a level? You gave me some XP to start with but I dont think its very much compared to what everyone els has the jump for.

I only say this because if I had enough XP and became lvl 2 then I could do some cool dreamer stuff with Ragnar right now.

a) You have more Faith Points than everyone else. b) You did not receive white bone item because you would have to wait even longer for me to write you in the game if I decided to give you and Sorok covenant items. c) You've got gear. And pretty powerful one at that. d) You are 500 XP behind old members of the party. That may seem a lot right now, but it should even out in a couple of levels, since I tend to award good role playing.

Level up, hp 1d6 ⇒ 5

Okay, covenant items:

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Might I recommend putting this stuff in your profile (in spoilers, of course), so this info doesn't get lost? I had to search around for it a bit since there are so many posts in this thread.

Anvinder wrote:

Em, ok so I know I came into the game late but now I got no equipment, no covenant item and will be behind by a level? You gave me some XP to start with but I dont think its very much compared to what everyone els has the jump for.

I only say this because if I had enough XP and became lvl 2 then I could do some cool dreamer stuff with Ragnar right now.

a) You have more Faith Points than everyone else. b) You did not receive white bone item because you would have to wait even longer for me to write you in the game if I decided to give you and Sorok covenant items. c) You've got gear. And pretty powerful one at that. d) You are 500 XP behind old members of the party. That may seem a lot right now, but it should even out in a couple of levels, since I tend to award good role playing.

I was told I had no gear. So what gear might this be?

nightflier wrote:

Anvinder wrote:

Em, ok so I know I came into the game late but now I got no equipment, no covenant item and will be behind by a level? You gave me some XP to start with but I dont think its very much compared to what everyone els has the jump for.

I only say this because if I had enough XP and became lvl 2 then I could do some cool dreamer stuff with Ragnar right now.

a) You have more Faith Points than everyone else. b) You did not receive white bone item because you would have to wait even longer for me to write you in the game if I decided to give you and Sorok covenant items. c) You've got gear. And pretty powerful one at that. d) You are 500 XP behind old members of the party. That may seem a lot right now, but it should even out in a couple of levels, since I tend to award good role playing.

I was told I had no gear. So what gear might this be?

You found it on a dead ritualist. Check old posts.

You found it on a dead ritualist. Check old posts.

Is that the knife and the holy symbol Nightflier mentioned? That's all I can recall. If it's not, that's a hell of a lot of info to sift through. I don't envy you there.

As for the in game stuff, is Ragnar's unconsciousness a persistent effect (like a curse or enchantment), or is it an instantaneous one, (like a sleep spell, or taking a nasty blow to the head)?

Might I recommend putting this stuff in your profile (in spoilers, of course), so this info doesn't get lost? I had to search around for it a bit since there are so many posts in this thread.

It knows proper grammar! It's being helpful and kind!

Malign paradigm shift! Head e'splode! ;)

1d6 ⇒ 3hp

Ok leveled, compensated for lower hp of Charismatic chaneller with toughness granted by torc. Skills granted item bonus have the asterisk.

1d6 ⇒ 2

nightflier wrote:

You found it on a dead ritualist. Check old posts.

Is that the knife and the holy symbol Nightflier mentioned? That's all I can recall. If it's not, that's a hell of a lot of info to sift through. I don't envy you there.

As for the in game stuff, is Ragnar's unconsciousness a persistent effect (like a curse or enchantment), or is it an instantaneous one, (like a sleep spell, or taking a nasty blow to the head)?

It was the knife. And Ragnar's unconsciousness is very much like taking a nasty blow to the head. Ghosts kinda burned the information in his brain.

nightflier wrote:

Okay, covenant items:

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Might I recommend putting this stuff in your profile (in spoilers, of course), so this info doesn't get lost? I had to search around for it a bit since there are so many posts in this thread.

Good idea. Will do later today.

Why I love midnight:

When I first ran midnight it was with a bunch of really hard-core powergamers. I encouraged them to try out all the broken loopholes that any sane GM vetoes. They were ecstatic. I spent 4 sessions delving really deep into their backgrounds and forcing some tough Role Play decisions out of them. No combat at all. barely any roles. I made them really, really care about the characters as more than an impressive stack of numbers.

Then a Legate showed up with 6 orcs to investigate what was going on in the town.

They tried to hide, so the Legate started publicly executing people. (He just used Augery to find out if That Guy had contact with the resistance.)

Predictably, the PC's intervened.

And all died.

I'll never forget the look on the fighters face when I told him his attack total of 18 against one of the orcs missed, and that the orc did 15 points of damage with a one-handed weapon.

The rogue, who survived and ran, couldn't figure out how they tracked him so unerringly (eagle astirax, keeping watch from above), and when he went to his safehouse to try to get help, he was killed by one of the people I'd built up as his oldest friend. Not because he was a traitor, but because the friend wouldn't risk the collapse of the entire local resistance to save one idiot who openly fought against an investigator.

So they made new characters. I told them that I hadn't even increased the challenge rating of the base "legate with guards" encounter, but that I played mean because of how they had made their characters.

They deliberately held back this time, thinking that I would cut them some slack.

Their new characters were resistance fighters sent to investigate what had happened with their previous characters.

They managed to do things the smart way. They poisoned the orcs, and killed the legate while he slept.

Then left town.

The legate's superior showed up a week later, brought by his underling's astirax. He raised the first legate from the dead, got the full...

When I read this i had to lol a bit. This is why your my favorite GM.

1d6 ⇒ 3

Will update the profile tonight

Ragnar Death-Speaker wrote:

nightflier wrote:

You found it on a dead ritualist. Check old posts.

Is that the knife and the holy symbol Nightflier mentioned? That's all I can recall. If it's not, that's a hell of a lot of info to sift through. I don't envy you there.

As for the in game stuff, is Ragnar's unconsciousness a persistent effect (like a curse or enchantment), or is it an instantaneous one, (like a sleep spell, or taking a nasty blow to the head)?

It was the knife. And Ragnar's unconsciousness is very much like taking a nasty blow to the head. Ghosts kinda burned the information in his brain.

Anvinder's ability should wake me up then. I just want your ok before I post.

Yes, Anvinder' ability will work on you.

Yes, Anvinder' ability will work on you.

If I'm up, it probably means we're not going to be resting now that he knows how to get to the forge and the library. (I can't see Solvistania or Sorok wanting to wait any longer than necessary.) Does that mean we still haven't leveled up?

Pete is going to rest, regardless. Ragnar can forge on ahead if he likes.

I've leveled Pete up with another rogue level. I gave him the Trap Spotter talent, so now he can make an automatic trap check when he's within 10' of one.

Pete is going to rest, regardless. Ragnar can forge on ahead if he likes.

I've leveled Pete up with another rogue level. I gave him the Trap Spotter talent, so now he can make an automatic trap check when he's within 10' of one.

Hehe. Ragnar won't. He's a brooder, but not really a loner or a leader. Sorok and Solvistania are the ones who might want to make a litter and drag the little sleeping savage. ;)

Also, that talent makes me very happy you're around.

Pete is going to rest, regardless. Ragnar can forge on ahead if he likes.

I've leveled Pete up with another rogue level. I gave him the Trap Spotter talent, so now he can make an automatic trap check when he's within 10' of one.

If Pete is not going to move on, then we rest here. I don't htink we split the group at this point.

nightflier wrote:

Yes, Anvinder' ability will work on you.

If I'm up, it probably means we're not going to be resting now that he knows how to get to the forge and the library. (I can't see Solvistania or Sorok wanting to wait any longer than necessary.) Does that mean we still haven't leveled up?

You may be awake, but your mind just had a terrible shock. No matter your heroic path, dealing with undead is trauma filled experience. So, you are a little disoriented still, but the group does not need to rest full 24 hours. Twelve is enough. It's about noon right now.

You may be awake, but your mind just had a terrible shock. No matter your heroic path, dealing with undead is trauma filled experience. So, you are a little disoriented still, but the group does not need to rest full 24 hours. Twelve is enough. It's about noon right now.

Gotcha. That was pretty much what i figured. At least this way I can join the downtime conversation as something other than a snarky bird.

So I've been thinking about character stuff since we've all been leveling up, and I loosely mapped out the path I thought I wanted Ragnar to take, figuring out where to fit in prereqs for feats and prestige classes and whatnot, and as I went, I realized I didn't much like the progression I thought I wanted.

I'd originally thought I'd go Warrior Arcanist for a few levels, and then Syphon. The more I looked at Syphon, the more I came to the conclusion that it wasn't as good as I thought it was. (The wording makes it clear that it's abilities only really work on other channelers, not on legates or creatures with spell-like abilities, which is what we are more likely to face. It's really a class for villains) So I dropped it.

Then I was looking at Warrior Arcanist, and while I like it, it also deviated from what I wanted to really focus on with Ragnar (the whole necromancer/zookeeper thing). Ilona's also going that route, and she's much more suited to it than I am.

So I was at a loss, poured through the books and re-discovered the Master of Shrouds from the Libris Mortis. I'd written it off a long time ago because it's completely crippled by it's prereqs. (Might as well light feats on fire. They are utterly useless to the class)

It's also, exactly what I want Ragnar to be able to do.

So, my question is: Would you allow some slight tweeking of that class as something for Ragnar to take later?

I don't have the book with me right now, so I'll have to look it up tomorrow. But, I plan to create a Healer Prestige Class for Gilian that will be similar to Druid and Wizard prestige classes. Perhaps you can tailor something for Ragnar along those lines?

I don't have the book with me right now, so I'll have to look it up tomorrow. But, I plan to create a Healer Prestige Class for Gilian that will be similar to Druid and Wizard prestige classes. Perhaps you can tailor something for Ragnar along those lines?

Sure, I'll get started on AtS.

Sure, I'll get started on AtS.

Done. Take a look and tell me what you think.

Everyone who can has leveled up. I think were ready to continue.

nightflier wrote:

I don't have the book with me right now, so I'll have to look it up tomorrow. But, I plan to create a Healer Prestige Class for Gilian that will be similar to Druid and Wizard prestige classes. Perhaps you can tailor something for Ragnar along those lines?

Sure, I'll get started on AtS.

Ahem, perhaps a sore of arcane trickster for charismatic channelers. I mean hermetic and wisdom based channelers all have specific PC and if you gunna be working on something then I figure Id give you some ideas.

Ahem, perhaps a sore of arcane trickster for charismatic channelers. I mean hermetic and wisdom based channelers all have specific PC and if you gunna be working on something then I figure Id give you some ideas.

For Anvinder? Is he planning on becoming a rogue?

*patiently waits for another level go to go by* Not that I was hoping those were my big ole foot prints or anything.

Anvinder wrote:

Ahem, perhaps a sore of arcane trickster for charismatic channelers. I mean hermetic and wisdom based channelers all have specific PC and if you gunna be working on something then I figure Id give you some ideas.

For Anvinder? Is he planning on becoming a rogue?

No, it's just something I think midnight is kinda lacking on. Charismatics should have a cool PC like the others.

Anyway, sorry I havent posted. On our way home yesterday we found a cat someone left on the side of the road, its was bleeding from the face and mostly unconsious. I spent all of last night trying to nurse it back to health but this morning it passed on.

Ill post tonight but right now I gotta get ready for work.

Anyway, sorry I havent posted. On our way home yesterday we found a cat someone left on the side of the road, its was bleeding from the face and mostly unconsious. I spent all of last night trying to nurse it back to health but this morning it passed on.

Ill post tonight but right now I gotta get ready for work.

Dude. Thumbs up for the good deed. Thumbs down for you having to go through that. You have my sympathy.

On that note, I'm now in the right headspace for Midnight.

Wow. Since I first joined I think this is the first time that nothing has ocured for over a full day either in or out of game.

Wow. Since I first joined I think this is the first time that nothing has ocured for over a full day either in or out of game.

This is pretty uncharacteristic. I am sure we will be moving along soon enough.

Sorok Hamfael wrote:

Wow. Since I first joined I think this is the first time that nothing has ocured for over a full day either in or out of game.

This is pretty uncharacteristic. I am sure we will be moving along soon enough.

Yeah, well, I was traveling for the weekend. I had internet access, but not enough time for a full post. I just got back home, to the next post will be up as soon as I wake.

If anyone's interested, I'm starting up another Midnight PbP at the Against the Shadow forums.

Click Here if you'd like to join.

If anyone's interested, I'm starting up another Midnight PbP at the Against the Shadow forums.

Click Here if you'd like to join.

Could we perhaps swich our dead midnight game to PBP? I would certinly like to not throw away 2 years of gaming and perhaps people who are mad at each other can be civil on pbp

Ragnar Death-Speaker wrote:

If anyone's interested, I'm starting up another Midnight PbP at the Against the Shadow forums.

Click Here if you'd like to join.

Could we perhaps swich our dead midnight game to PBP? I would certinly like to not throw away 2 years of gaming and perhaps people who are mad at each other can be civil on pbp

It's possible, though I hold little hope of that. That game isn't dead. Just wounded. I just figured I could use it as a basis for a good PbP.

In any case, this isn't the place for that discussion.

Slow clap for Chops. That was an awesome scene, man.