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Night Upon the Realms [Fallen Faction] (Inactive)

Game Master Matt, Garnished Game Designer



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Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

ok a few questions.
1 for the moral part. undead do not get anything from moral normally

2 for making the hoard what is the dc 30 check, and do we have any bodys with us to make more undead at this time.

3 can we have our undead gather resources at all? or do other actions outside of combat

4 do we start out with any CM at all

5 gathering or doing a profession how much does that add to our CM when done, the total result of the role, some other formula you have yourself, ect.

6 what are the starting stats of our new settlement. more then likely 0 in all of them but would be nice to know what we are dealing with, so we know what to upgrade.

7 would it be possible to make custom undead at all, like juju zombies so they can make craft checks

9 do we have any fallen npc's with us at all, or is it just the players that are fallen the rest being undead of one kind or another.

i thought that this would help smooth things out. and it might be able to help the hero side as well.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Are wood, stone, etc all just generic CM, or do we need to specify what we're gathering?


Faltae Unvalep wrote:

ok a few questions.

1 for the moral part. undead do not get anything from moral normally

2 for making the hoard what is the dc 30 check, and do we have any bodys with us to make more undead at this time.

3 can we have our undead gather resources at all? or do other actions outside of combat

4 do we start out with any CM at all

5 gathering or doing a profession how much does that add to our CM when done, the total result of the role, some other formula you have yourself, ect.

6 what are the starting stats of our new settlement. more then likely 0 in all of them but would be nice to know what we are dealing with, so we know what to upgrade.

7 would it be possible to make custom undead at all, like juju zombies so they can make craft checks

9 do we have any fallen npc's with us at all, or is it just the players that are fallen the rest being undead of one kind or another.

i thought that this would help smooth things out. and it might be able to help the hero side as well.

1) Morale is just a representation of how well things are going.

2) As mentioned, state a skill you believe would be usable and I'll judge. And yes, you had bodies to make your troops. That's just an abstraction. Anyways, you can pretty much have an infinite amount of those minor troops, they dont do very much. Higher level troops have a limit.

3) Troops are used to defend the current location, attack enemies, scout ahead. You can't use the Rotten Hordes to gather resources. Information on troop combat is coming soon, don't worry.

4) Nope, but I think I forgot to mention that when gathering you roll a skill check. You obtain that much of the resource, or CM. And to clarify, Gathering is 1 Action, Building takes longer.

5)Answered in 4

6) 0, there is no settlement yet.

7) If you have the material to do so, you can.

8) Only the PCs are "The Fallen"


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

What kind of skill check is it to rip trees out of the ground and drag them back to the settlement, or boulders?

Edit:Updated my skills to the following...

Craft (Carpentry) +5 (2 ranks, 3 class), Craft (Masonry) +5 (2 ranks, 3 class), Knowledge (Engineering) +5 (2 ranks, 3 class), Profession (Woodcutter) +7 (2 rank, 2 wis, 3 class), Profession (Miner) +6 (1 rank, 2 wis, 3 class), Profession (Architect) +6 (1 rank, 2 wis, 3 class), Use Magic Device +17 (10 ranks, 4 cha, 3 class)



Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

Would casting inflict spells as we gather our horde together make them better/stronger/upgraded?

Also,
Advice needed: Do I take Master Alchemist as my 6th feat or Spell Penetration? Right now I have +30 to Craft(Alch) but a bunch of AoE damage spells, so either would be a good choice.


Nope, Rotten Horde is a troop unit and is simply created.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

hmm seems we dont have our full party of fallen. would it be a safe thing to say that those that did not post have taken the defend action? i am guessing that could go for any unposting heroes too if there are any. after all we are on a new land, why not go defensive?

also what would our chars know about this new land, is it something we just stumbled upon, is it something we went out to attack, were we exploring list goes on and on.

@Ellsuana i would say master alchemist, making things in a day and lots of poisons at once is great. while with your aoe spells even if they fail to get past some spell resistance it should hit someone, and you just cast another spell next round. it amounts to what will you get more use out of, crafting, or overcoming sr.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

With your spell Faltae that means I can drag something the size of a fire truck basically. Nice.


Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

Wait until I Enlarge you....


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Wait a minute...I must have recorded my carrying capacity before I bought gear or something. I also forgot the x2 bonus for being large size.

My actual max load is 6,400 lbs. which means I can drag 32,000 lbs unassisted.

Combined with Faltae's spell that gives me 96,000 lbs. without a sled. 192,000 if we can build a big enough sled.

96 tons is approaching super hero levels of strength, woot woot! Being enlarged would double it again, to a truly ridiculous 192 tons.

O_O

edit:The weird thing is that even though he could drag a building around or whatever, Pathfinder physics dictate he's no better at throwing things than a kobold or something. Had visions of throwing tress back to camp from a quarter mile away, ala the Hulk. But the rules don't really allow it.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

and wait till i can have the mats to make mule back cords. oh i have to do the math now...
so Angelo starts out large, + enlarge person makes huge for a +2 str and x4 carrying capacity, mule back cord +8 str for carrying, ant haul x3 str. after all others are done. 12,768 and under for a light load....153,600 for heavy, 768,000 for push drag. or 384 tons
and if you gave yourself 2 more legs would make you a quadruped making it even more fun. 1,152,000 would be push or drag, ah this reminds me of a centaur monk i had once and i had mule back cords. ended up pulling some home brewed train cars that fell off the city. it threw the dm for a loop.

well now we know if we need to have something moved who to call.

edit umm with all the craziness i get you to 576 tonns.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

I can evolution surge for extra legs, and for more strength as well. But only temporarily. I should be able to carry up to my max load while flying also. Funnily enough having more legs will still allow a flying creature to carry more weight. Again with the PF physics.

Someone craft me an adamantine woodsman's axe and I can fell trees with a single blow. Same with an adamantine pick to mine stuff.

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In our initial planning I was gonna be the teleporting assassin. Now I'm Bob the Builder. I'll just stay in/around the settlement gathering resources and defending it with Tristan.

Hey Tristan, you should alter your skills a little to reflect our new realities. Maybe pick up some craft (carpentry/masonry). If I'm the only one who can build things, and I'm also the fastest at gathering resources it's going to create a major time shortage for me. It would be better if Tristan could stay in town and defend while building stuff, and I can focus on gathering resources and come back to defend if needed. If this is anything like all the strategy games I've played over the years there should be some "low hanging fruit" close to base for us to gather. We need a system to inform the people out in the field that the town is under attack, so they can come back if needed. Ideas?


Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

I can cast Telepathic Bond.

I am waiting for the DM's response to my question about what spells I can have prepared for the day, asked in the game thread awhile ago.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

well the game changed a bit from what we thought it would be. not saying i don't want to play, just what happened. i would think depending on how large this land is, we could take a few weeks before we find out that there are hero's here. but i don't know how far eather group will explore, or how large this land is.

i will be making juju zombies, i don't know how many i will be albe to make in the end, having 1300 in black onyx means i can only make 13 hd worth of juju zombies ones that have an int so they can do tasks, and have skill points as well. or 52 hd of animate dead,

a little list of good and bad for us

good
- undead don't need to eat, leaving only a few of us fallen without ring of sustenance that need food.
- we have an almost unlimited supply of body's to make undead
- hero army needs to eat
- we can make anything alive into undead
-our undead with skill wont need to rest, so 3 actions worth of things a day
- hero's have a small army to start and wont get bigger unless they recruit something or someone that might or might not be there.
- our spells should help us craft some things faster, ie stone shape
-we can send out our undead horde to kill things and not care about if they win or lose, just make more.

bad
-hero army has int so they can do crafting or gathering
-our base undead cant gather or make things for us
- no natural healing for our undead
- natural healing for hero army
- the need for onyx to make better undead
- we have a small number of int based chars to do things with. ie players only right now,

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

well, unless they set up undead detection of some sort without finding out about us first, I think we will have the upper hand on finding out about them. I plan on exploring a good chunk first (For Faltae's needed Onyx, to find out where we are, and big game)

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

A few questions of Clarification: We get 3 actions every 1 game day and every one game day is 2 real days right. So did we officially start on Saturday or Sunday? Just trying to figure out when we can post for the second and following days and such. Thanks


Male Dwarf Inquisitor 4

Well Unbeugsam would ask if he should scout the country ahead. He can run real fast and should be able to find any settlements or anything like that quick!


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

for everyone, remember you can edit your posts if it is done within one hour of when you first posted. so you can put together your posts into just one, or change what you want to do, in that window of time.


Male Human Fallen Fighter (Tactician) 10

Yep, good to keep in mind. Also, in case you didn't see my post in Gameplay, I switched Survival for Craft (masonry). So I can, like, put rocks together, if you want.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Just letting everyone know that I'm gonna be on vacation from the 27th-6th. I'll have access to the internet, but I probably won't have much posting time. I would like to gather resources during that time. Whatever the group determines is most needed.

I have a ring of sustenance, so does that let me forgo the need for a rest action? If so, I'll gather for three actions a day.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

@ gm, i will wait to post for the next day till you say it has happend, that way we all know what day we are on.

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

So random thought, What will Rings of sustenance do in this game? Normally it cuts sleep time needed down to 2 hours but the rounds are 8hr periods. So what happens to the other 6? Does it do like what Angelo said and forgo the rest action? Similarly there are some tools that might be worth investing in. Amazing tools of manufacture can do 2k worth of crafting in 1 hr leaving a 7 hr time slot still avaliable, also they give a +4 bonus to the craft check (only need 1 instead of 1 every day) which would almost negate the accelerated craft check. Anyways, I have neither item, but I figure that if the ring works like what angelo was thinking, that gets us an extra action every day, and if the tools work like the same way, they would cut crafting time down by 2/3 (1000gp in a normal 8 hrs +2000gp for the 1hr slot for a total of 3k a day vs 1k)didnt think about either of these with respect to the game until it was to late to swap some of my stuff for them. If someone wants to craft them though, I have tools and 1.8k in crafting materials, just not the ability to craft anything except guns.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Maybe you could take an action with a -2 penalty to your roll since you're only doing it for 6 hours instead of 8?

Definitely gonna need a DM ruling on it. I'm also still curious how my ridiculous carrying capacity/strength would effect resource gathering. Can you chime in on these questions DM?


Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

I also need a answer on which spells I can have prepared. Its not that big a deal, but I wanna make sure it doesn't matter.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

@thalos well we need 6k in mats to make that tool, so until we get to that point doesn't matter. but good idea for latter, i will be able to make it in time.

@ellsuana it would be easy to just forget about day one, lets say you took the defend action to blow stuff up if it found us, so you pick out what spells you want for the second day. this is going to be a long time game so one day does not matter so much

@gm what do we do with my juju zombies, they have int so they can technically do things like search, gather, and build. also am i understanding this right that we can make an unlimited amount of the base undead army?

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10
Ellsuana wrote:
I also need a answer on which spells I can have prepared. Its not that big a deal, but I wanna make sure it doesn't matter.

I would suggest using Prying Eyes In theory you should get some major bonuses to exploration and such if you use it (10+1d4 eyes exploring for 10 hrs).


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90
Thalos Nox wrote:
Ellsuana wrote:
I also need a answer on which spells I can have prepared. Its not that big a deal, but I wanna make sure it doesn't matter.
I would suggest using Prying Eyes In theory you should get some major bonuses to exploration and such if you use it (10+1d4 eyes exploring for 10 hrs).

Good idea.


Male Dwarf Inquisitor 4

Actually as Unbeugsam didn´t spend all his money.. he would be willing to invest it in the creation process ... at reasonable intrest!

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10
Unbeugsam wrote:
Actually as Unbeugsam didn´t spend all his money.. he would be willing to invest it in the creation process ... at reasonable intrest!

I'm sure as a dwarf, you can understand the value of tripling production speed.


Male Dwarf Inquisitor 4

Of course I do. And also the oportance of a healthy 10% interest. For family. For friends 20%. For strangers 5%. So what are you family, friends or strangers?

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

So just a heads up, It may be worth while to get everyone a ring of sustenance . Just got confirmation from the DM that the ring would remove the need of a sleep action. Similarly the Amazing Tools of Manufacture would basically give a free 2k craft every day (plus you would only need to make 1 crafting check when you finish at a +4).


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Okay, with that information I would ask to be DMPCed in the following way while I'm gone on my vacation:

Because I want to avoid holding up a potential combat situation, Angelo will refrain from delving the cave.

I will take three actions a day to gather resources. First priority is enough wood for a large sled. Then enough for a graveyard, then a palisade. Once I have enough CM for each I will stop collecting and build them. That should be enough to cover my trip. If not I'll go back to collecting. Still not sure if everything just goes into a generic CM pool, or if there are separate ones for wood, stone, onyx etc. If there are, he will collect whatever the group votes is most important.

Edit:

html tags to make it easier to DMPC me.

[ooc]Perception [dice]1d20+2[/dice [/ooc
[ooc]Profession (Woodcutter) [dice]1d20+7[/dice [/ooc
[ooc]Profession (Miner) [dice]1d20+6[/dice [/ooc
[ooc]Profession (Architect) [dice]1d20+6[/dice [/ooc
[ooc]Craft (Carpentry) [dice]1d20+5[/dice [/ooc
[ooc]Craft (Masonry) [dice]1d20+5[/dice [/ooc


Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

You guys are following the game thread, right?

Did you not see my last comment? about scouting via magic?

Prying Eyes is what I was talking about. I *do* sort of know how to play a caster...


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Another reason I will refrain from delving ^_^


Female Human(Fallen) Witch/10

I have Summon Monster V, feel free to offer suggestions as to what might be worth summoning to help out. I have a few ideas already, depending on what we require them for.

Also, I cast Minor Creation, to make us a temporary sled, lasting 10 hours.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

neat idea with minor creation, but for the summoning stuff, i don't think it will work out, at this point in the game we need things that last a good 10 mins a level, or hours a level or better. rounds wont really help out at all, unless we have enough castings to make it last for 8 hours or so.

also good to know with the ring of sustenance, i was just going to eat the penalty of no sleep and sleep every third day while making our army.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Babau for combat. They are nasty and have greater teleport at will.


Male Half elf fallen Juju Oracle

@gm, while the idea of every 2 days in real life was a good one, we can only go on as fast as you update, so i suggest, that for each game day we have a minimum of 2 days to post for every 1 game day, and to be moved forward when you are able to post, that way we still have a time to post, and it does not put stress on you to post large updates ever other day, but once more just a suggestion.

also something that would be nice to have, any rulings that you have made on our side and hero side, as well as in any pm's put into the campaign info tab. while keeping out info that does not matter for our side, i would think the hero's would not care how to make a undead unit, while we will not need to know some of quarks the hero side has. but take your time on it.

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

Sooo, what exactly is the plan? We ended the last round on Monday and it is now Friday. Did the game kind of drop off, RL stuff come up, or did we get alot of stuff going down this last round?


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

DM is busy with university in real life, doubt the pace of this is gonna get faster any time soon. He hasn't updated his other game that I'm in a quite a while either.

Qadira

Male Fallen Elf Musket Master 10

ah, ok. I figured it might be something to that effect.


Thanks Angelo, yes university has begun and I'm finding it very hard to manage midterms and Pathfinder at the same time.

I'm also getting a group of new players together IRL and they have high maintenance.

I do not plan on dropping this game, worry not, but the game pace may indeed be slower than originally planned and I will modify things accordingly.

I'm also working on a google doc to keep all the campaign's information together and it should help everyone. The rules for using spells to aid actions and such will also be added.

I apologize for the delay, and hopefully I'll get some free time soon.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

No worries :) It comes when it comes.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

Must....resist....don't...give, aw hells...

That's what she said!


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

Lol. Awesome.


I'm almost done finishing the document for you guys. I'm sorry it's taken so long.

Just a question, does anyone here feel against the use of Google Docs?

It would be a very quick way for each Faction to have a running tally of what they've explored, obtained, defeated, etc.


HP 116/90 | AC 36 (T 18, FF 36) | CMD 26 | F +13 | R +11 | W +16 | Init +7 | Per +16
Tracking:
Ki Spent:7/9 Hero Points:3/3 1st:5/6 2nd:3/5 3rd:1/4 HP 116/90

I use it all the time for games.


Male Human Fallen Fighter (Tactician) 10

I'm fine with GoogleDocs. I'm planning a game in that currently, as a matter of fact.

Also, I may not be able to post in the upcoming days. RL is busy right now, so I may not be able to get on much. Tristan's ready to start defending/building stuff, since he has Craft (masonry), so get stone going and he can build. Feel free to DMPC if anything comes up during my absence.


Male Human Fallen Fighter (Tactician) 10

So, this game is basically dead, amirite?

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