Monster Mashup - Table 2 (Inactive)

Game Master CaveToad

Grease is amazing. That's also an option for bard. The best bard "offensive" spells for first level are imho grease, minor image and ear-piercing scream. For summoner Snowball and Grease are probably the best offensive ones, thought glue seal looks decent too. Maybe you can take snowball for summoner instead?

Hmm, I wonder if I should chose hot or cold for Invulnerable Rager...

I'll take your advice on grease. I don't see myself using it often, but I can't find anything better. Taking identify for bard. It'll be useful.

I'd suggest Cold. We've been in mostly temperate environments so far.

Grease would have been awesome in the fight against the mimics. Edit: I guess they can't fall prone eh? Well against the troll then.

I think I'm going with hot, mostly for the fire resistance eventually.

Hmm, I think I'll twin mind dip into Investigator (Sleuth, Empiricist). It'll allow me to replace wisdom for both perception and sense motive as well as giving me extra panache and a method for actually regaining panache for once I do pick up swashbuckler at level 8...

Here is Xanya level 3

I believe falling counts as falling prone. Makes sense since it is grease. Too bad, they don't loose Dex to AC.

It's funny watching squirrels try and get past the grease to get to the bird feeder.

@Quassine: Just an example but Mimic has +14 perception and it's not even particularly high compared to monsters of their CR. It's probably much safer to leave the stealthing to those with a decent chance of not getting noticed (aka Kiki). Stealth and Disguise both oppose perception which is usually the highest skill of the enemies by far. @Kiki: Why did you roll +6 on perception when your sheet has it listed as +7? It might be worth in investing in eyes of the eagle for Kiki before we get cloaks of resistance etc. Boosting her perception will be a lot easier than boosting Quassine's stealth.

@CT:Normally you can only retrain ability score increases, but would you allow retraining ability score distribution? Kiki could really benefit from some more wisdom for her druid, at the cost of for example int...

Hence why I am half way between her and the rest of you.

I level up off paizo and update. So I'm ready to import soon as we rest.

Yes intercept charge was what I wanted to take. I don't have uncanny dodge. The thought is if we win Initiative I can buff on round 1. It probably works best with the casters as If I buff and then you make yourself a target by casting offensive magic I can then intercept the creature that charges you. It is situational, but when it works its great. Just let me know if anyone wants to take it. I did not for level 2, but I will if any others do.

Kiki, CT may want which way are we going? Towards the end of the mimic hallway or towards the floor trap Quassine disarmed? Or, he may have the day off like I do and still taking care of the yard?

@CT: You won't allow me to use the Marshal Path Ability Mounted Marshal as a summoner either right?

Correct.

@CT: Would you allow Double Slice to work for secondary natural attacks as well? Or is there a similar feat somewhere?

No, double slice is for off hand attacks, not natural attacks. So basically any natural attack used in combo with weapon attacks becomes a secondary natural attack and does half str. If used purely as a natural attack routine the attack adhere to their natural status as primary or secondary as defined by the attack. I don't know of any feat that lets you boost the damage.

@CT:Normally you can only retrain ability score increases, but would you allow retraining ability score distribution? Kiki could really benefit from some more wisdom for her druid, at the cost of for example int...

I am not doing any retrains for that. You can always get a headband or something like that.

Will you be tracking the stuff we get CT (for example on the campaign tab) or do we have to do it?

I've been favoriting the treasure.

Can I ride Aster despite him not having the mount evolution? Does that evolution do more than remove the -5 ride check penalty for riding a mount unsuitable for riding?

It up to you guys to record, track and divide the treasure. Please make sure to record your shares on the budget spoilers in your character sheet when you do. The main purpose of meticulously tracking incoming and outgoing funds is to make sure I am awarding the right amount of treasure for your level.

Since Aster is not trained as a combat mount, you are required to make use of the following ride checks each round:

Control Mount in Battle: As a move action, you can attempt to control a light horse, pony, heavy horse, or other mount not trained for combat riding while in battle. If you fail the Ride check, you can do nothing else in that round. You do not need to roll for horses or ponies trained for combat.

You can see it requires a move action, so it can be somewhat limiting.

So everyone gets 94pp, 322gp, 48sp, 320cp and 2 gems

That leaves 2pp, 1gp, and 2 gems in party loot. This is just for tracking and to keep on your character. Goliath will carry it and we can spend on crafting with what the group decides.

Then I'm not really interested in staying mounted... Though with an int of 7 controlling him really shouldn't be necessary, but I'm guessing that doesn't change your ruling.

How many hours have we travelled so far this day? Is it really time for resting already? We should certainly "rest and reflect" before continuing, but we got some time left right? Can Xanya mix a mutagen while rest/reflecting?

Its not so much a matter of whether he is smart enough. You could give him verbal commands and what not, but its just that he isn't used to it. He is slower to react and perhaps a bit uncomfortable with a rider, weight and balance is off etc, thus it takes an extra move to accomplish what you want, whereas a regular mount and rider are much more of a single unit.

Clearly there has to be a distinction or the mount evolution is meaningless, and the rules for riding just get thrown out if you can hop on anything with enough space to sit on its back and expect it to perform in combat the same way as something trained to do so.

You haven't travelled that far nor have you really been in the dungeon that long, so you aren't sleepy per se, but you had a few fights which can be exhausting and taxing, physically and mentally ( there are no rules for this but it makes some sense). So there is no need to rest, but if you did rest and reflect in quiet contemplation for a few hours you can complete your level ups, which is probably the largest benefit or taking 3-4 hours of downtime to share a meal and massage the aches and pains away. Note that everyone responds differently to combat and maybe some thrive on the excitement and thrills etc and would rather keep the intensity level going, so this is also a chance to develop your personalities etc too :)

Simon, are you going to notate that Ring Quassine found on the Yellow Musk Creeper, and are you going to keep it? Because that is part of treasure divvying and the ledger CT is talking about.

So can we rest for a few hours (to level up, rp etc) then travel for the rest of the day? There is also the matter of the seal. Both I and Xanya want to explore that though I understand it's not our primary motivation for coming here. @CT: For crafting of the magical variety we don't really need more than wealth and magic right? And with sufficiently high Spellcraft we only need magic?

Yes you could travel on or explore further after some down time to level up.

In terms of crafting, I am not sure what you are asking. You need the feat and the cash for raw materials ( which also assumes you have access to a place to buy the raw materials, though it may not specify by RAW - I'd have to check, but you don't just throw a stack of gold on the ground and make your spellcraft roll and the magic item appears. ) Once you have the appropriate masterwork item and various magical enchanting reagents, you just need to make the spellcraft check, and you can take 10, but not 20. The checks are lower if you meet the spell requirements, or in some cases other requirements (like race etc), but that's your call. You also have to work on the time the specified amount of time (8 hours in a day for 1000 gp of the cost).

The rules are different for your signature item.

Quassine will get craft wonderous and doesn't need much sleep. Can he craft an item worth 1000 GP during the night or do we need to visit a town first?

You need to get magical making 'stuff'. At minimum you need the masterwork item that you are going to enchant. If you have that, you still need various oils, powders and what not that are I believe left intentionally vague by the rules so that GM's can make magic item crafting more annoying if they want to. I leave it intentionally vague, but you need access to those sort of reagents.

In other words, we need to find an abandoned assortment of quality good, a friendly outpost (maybe), or return to the city.

So, we're going to keep going with our travels for the day? It seems like we're stopping for the night. Do we just want to assume we do a last sweep of the temple, rest and level, then just skip to the end of the day after we've traveled some more?

Recorded the ring in my moneys tab along with the coins+ gems.

First we rest and level. Afterwards, I at least want to try to break the seal. Then I do see much point in just lounging around if we can travel for 3-5 hours more. The time spent resting does not deduct from the 8 hours we can travel every day. How many hours have we travelled so far today?

@CT: Can we update sheets? Last time we had to wait around several (irl) days for everyone to finish levelling...

Yes, I think its agreed at least that you are resting for 4 hours or so in the safety of the cleared dungeon and just snacking, stretching and chatting. After that you can decide what to do next. Update your sheets. It does help me a lot if everyone posts a 'level up' post recapping all the numerical increases, and other adjustments. This lets me and everyone spot check each other in case you missed something important or forgot a prerequisite etc. Its much harder when the sheets are just updated.

Even though I not quite done with my choices, I will start making the changes to save some time. Retraining can not be done unless I find a trainer correct? Most likely, the city.

Correct (on retraining)

Goliath Level 2
+1 BaB, +1 CMB, +1CMD

+1 Hero Point

HP +16, d10 max + 5con + FCB

+1 Fort, Reflex, Will Saves

Feats: Deflect Arrow(MB), Power Attack(WB), Dodge(2nd)

Skills:
+1 Perception, Sense Motive, Diplomacy

Added Rank to Acrobatics, Stealth

Special Abilities: Evastion, Charmed Life

Spells: +1 Orison, +1st, Not prepared, will gain when New spells are prayed for.

Think that is everything. :)

I will have Goliath level 3 ready to go off line as well so I can update quickly as I will probably hit that after the next battle. Assuming I live. Please don't kill me CT :)

Retraining also takes several days...

Xanya Level 3
+1 bab +1 cmb + 1 cmb
+1 hero point
+1 SR

HP +18

Feats: Weapon Focus (WB) Additional Traits (2nd)
Traits: Practiced Initiator (Warlord), Chawful (Paladin)

Skills(+10):
+1 Diplomacy, Perception, Ride;
+2 Linguistics (new common(from dwarves/merphic), celestial(from quassine)
new: +1 Knw(geo(from book)), knw(eng), stealth, swim, craft(alchemy)
Heal now uses bonus from knw(nature)

Special Abilities: Beastform Mutagen, Cruel Anatomist, Extreme Endurance(Hot), Channeling now 2d6

spells/extracts: +Protection from Evil(sum), +Long Arm(alch), +Open/Close(sum) +1st day(both)

Ikik: (same skills, +9 HP +1 NA +1 Int +1 bab (deliver touch spells replaced))

Cryxial:
Evolutions: lose improved natural armor, gain increased ability score (strength)
Feat: Dragon Style
+11 HP
+1 Will
+1bab
skills: +1 acro, perception; +2 umd

I think that's about it.

I'll add Cryxial to a separate spoiler under my alias.

This update have just reminded me we've totally ignored Xanya's and Quassine's SR so far... Though most spells have been cast outside of combat. Do your own spells ignore SR?

@CT: Can Xanya craft a mutagen while "resting"? Working out how to make the bestial mutagen perhaps?

The spells you cast on yourself do, and you can lower it with an action for others.

How does your eidolon rage? You know Dragon style take Feral Combat Training to work right, well at least for your natural attacks. He could make and unarmed attack and it would work.

Dragon style is to be able to charge through stuff, though I have considered having him do unarmed strikes (especially once he gets multiattack). Unlike us Cryxial doesn't get a ton of feats, so won't be able to spare two to be able to use dragon style to increase damage. I kinda want Power Attack -> Improved Overrun -> Rhino Charge(basically an extra move action per round as long as Xanya/Cryxial are close enough to the enemy to charge at a "short" distance) + Combat Reflexes + Lunge for him, but it will take forever to pick up all those feats. In hindsight it might have been a bit overkill to spend two feats to be able to charge through allies as I could already have been most of the way to Rhino Charge and Feather Step Slippers would have dealt with difficult terrain. At first level I might have been thinking that I wasn't going to go down the full path towards Rhino Charge, but now I think that I do want to do that.

Given the power of the enemies we are fighting I'm thinking I should probably pick up escape routes sooner rather than later (as soon as I get the saddle anyway). Xanya and Cryxial might end up charging into the enemies then running away then charging in again repeatedly.

Cryxial Rage through Xanya's rage power Ferocious Mount.

@CT: Hexes can be used during rage since they don't require concentration right?

Goliath is correct, you can permit and deny spell resistance.

I know that, but we haven't been mentioning it. Though there haven't been that many castings and the mechanics of pbp kinda makes it awkward (for example people healing Xanya after the fights I should have mentioned it. It was after the fights though, so it would have been fine to spend a standard action to lower it.).

So what do people think of my idea of checking out the seal before traveling on? I did post about it IC, but Goliath didn't comment.

I am good with and we should check out the seal.

It would help if they place the action required to lower it in the main description but yes I see it know. I think the rule is silly, it should be anything beneficial is allow through and not, denied. At least it doesn't provoke AoO ... lol

Well CT have yet to change any rules that I'm aware off, so I doubt he'll budge this time either :p.

@CT: How do you handle the clinging climber feat, does Kiki need to meet the 13 str requirements or does she need the feat at all (she has 4 limbs to climb, without using her hands)?

Did I miss anything? Picked combat reflexes for Aster, as I couldn't think of anything better.

I realized a few things. I didn't add a hero point last level, so I'm at three now, and I hadn't been applying my favored class bonus to anything, so I chose skills. Maxed perception like was recommended. Added touch and ranged attacks for spells. Changed the formatting in my skills block a little.

We don't get ability score increase at level 3 :( edit: That's one of the things CT changed eh? Then I guess we do. I'll put mine in strength.

@Simon: You really should make a separate skillblock for Samba. It's a waste to have to calculate his perception/stealth/fly etc every time. His perception is now +11 (+2 wis +3 class +3 ranks +3 skill focus) for example. It's still listed as +7 on your sheet.

@Kiki:Hopefully you won't need the feat since you have so many limbs.

I agree with Xanya, I feel Kiki should not need the feat or at least the STR 13 requirement.

Oh yeah the being able to charge through allies and difficult terrain is a big help on a mounted creature. Good call.

Goliath doesn't feel the need to comment on something his has no knowledge of. He is not the curious type and will support any decision made by the group.

@CT: How do you handle the clinging climber feat, does Kiki need to meet the 13 str requirements or does she need the feat at all (she has 4 limbs to climb, without using her hands)?

You don't really need that feat, since you can already do that with your 4 spider legs and super climby powers.

Regarding the spell resistance discussion, I see that it is a standard action to lower it and it stays down for a turn. I didn't realize that was a thing even, so i guess we will have to be cognizant of that moving forward and how it can impact things for those of you with it.

I didn't know it only stayed down for a turn... that's a whole new level of suck....

I didn't know it only stayed down for a turn... that's a whole new level of suck....

It really is, I think it should be like a computer firewall since it is not 100% effective against spells just like a firewall is not 100% against attacks.