The Advanced Character Guide updated errata came out a few days ago. I encourage everyone to take a look at this, particularly if you have one of the ACG classes as part of your gestalt. There are some significant changes in there, and I see quite a few that will alter people's builds here. I will be going by the new updates rules, so please make adjustments as needed. If some change has removed a 'feature' that was core to your build, we can discuss. I will be reviewing the errata again and taking a look at everyone who has an ACG class and making sure that things affected are adjusted as needed.
I don't have the ACG through Paizo, only Hero Lab so I have to wait until they update the code with the errata unless you want to give it to me before they do?
The link I posted has a link to the errata. You should be able to determine what abilities are affected (arcanist in your case) if any by reading through the affected arcanist abilities. The PFSRD has the verbiage on their pages, so you can tell what is changed. It looks like the SRD may already be updated in some cases.
Err, did I miss the link or did you add it in? ... lol
its at the bottom of my post. Click on the word ERRATA.
its at the bottom of my post. Click on the word ERRATA.
You misunderstood me or I was not clear but oh well. I saw it and clicked it before I posted my last post.
Battle Cry went from being one of the best feats ever to being decent if you don't have other uses for swift actions. I guess there is no need to wonder about who might pick it up now. Dive Protection similarly went from a must have to pretty meh.
I reviewed the Arcanist changes and either they do not yet apply or they were informational such as;
Page 9—In the Spellbooks ability, in the second paragraph, in the last sentence, change “other wizards’ spellbooks” to “wizards’ or other arcanists’ spellbooks”.
So given the current conversation about relocating I think travelling is the best choice. Of course I already thought that from beforehand. Do you still wish to remain as diplomats, Quassine and Simon? Honestly I think what is needed for that task is more management than roleplaying and adventure. They already have treaties in place, so there won't even be much negotiating with the humans. Travelling around will give us much more opportunities to learn about Goodwin or Kao Lor.
@CaveToad: What are we doing if we can't decide on this?
I think moving around this area would be most beneficial. Plenty of monsters for you guys to stab, and I just need to get up to summon monster two or three to get a cat with the yes or no questions spell.
We could still be diplomats, but going in the direction of finding them a place to live for now. If you guys want to get money for the turtle, that would work.
Finding a place to live? That's probably the thing I'm the least interested in atm. Maybe Xanya might be interested in settling down after we find Goodwin and do something appropriately mythic to gather a following. I have enough of kingmakering in kingmaker.
We aren't looking for monsters to stab. At least Xanya is not. She is looking to find Goodwin and to travel around to find "good" things to do. Stabbing is just something that is required to acomplish that...
Finding the /goatlings/ a place to live. Sorry about unclearness.
So given the current conversation about relocating I think travelling is the best choice. Of course I already thought that from beforehand. Do you still wish to remain as diplomats, Quassine and Simon? Honestly I think what is needed for that task is more management than roleplaying and adventure. They already have treaties in place, so there won't even be much negotiating with the humans. Travelling around will give us much more opportunities to learn about Goodwin or Kao Lor.
@CaveToad: What are we doing if we can't decide on this?
There are at least a million ways this can be managed. Some things will become obvious, others perhaps less so. If the group reaches some sort of hard rift, we can review.
Right now most people are chilling in the wilderness just getting their feet wet and learning the basics. The semi-sandbox approach can be a bit scary for some, but I provide direction if I feel the need. It's only the third day of in game time.
Finding the goatlings a place to live. Sorry about unclearness.
Sorry, my bad... When you are in a bad mood it's much easier to read the worst in things. In this case I somehow managed to skip the word "them".
I think finding them a place to live is more a thing that happens along with whatever else we might be doing, not something we can pursue as our sole quest. It's definitely something I want to keep an eye out for though.
We already have a number of goals though:
#1 Finding/rescuing Goodwin
#2 Getting money for the turtle to divine his whereabouts
#3 Finding a place for the goatlings
#4 Finding out what happened to Kao Lor and the monastery
(#5 Other things that might help the goatling's situation)
(#6 Do other good deeds, preferably in return for money, but not necessarily)
(#7 Quassine seems to have some sub-quest about learning telepathy)
(... Other personal goals?)
Hopefully things will go smoother once we get more used to each other and the characters get more familiar.
@CaveToad: how do you handle experience for non-combat situations?
Quassine only wants to go to the humans to see if the treaties can be followed, to see if anyone in a humanoid town has seen or heard about Archmage Goodwin, and humanoid communities always have quests for wealth. We will always be monster outcasts or perceived to be since we do not know what 10,000 years for our kin's relations with the humanoids are? Now if we find bread crumbs that lead us some where else, cool too. I am not sure how much adventure we can find looking for Goatling lands to the North, West, and East? And of course if I am out voted, then I will follow the group.
List looks good, the Telepathy goal is Twin-Mind whenever that comes into play. I was trying to coax it out of GM where to start on that and he didn't budge ... LOL
@CaveToad: how do you handle experience for non-combat situations?
Well you can get XP for defeating traps or circumstances with a CR like some natural hazards. In terms of roleplay situations you may get XP if there is an RP challenge that must be defeated to win or progress toward victory. I sometimes award story bonuses for completing quest arcs.
Nothing so far has warranted any XP yet as there isn't any particular risk involved.
As for how we will deal with humanoid societies: Xanya has disguise self. At level 4 I'll pick up infusions to spread it around if needed. Do anyone else have such things? I suppose trained disguise could also work if we get it to a high enough level.
Anyone else take the deep plunge yesterday and upgraded to Windows 10? Or were you part of the "beta" testing.
My upgrade was smooth, having a couple of issues but probably can be worked out. I did not have much time last night to see. The good news is that I have exclamation marks in my device manager.
List looks good, the Telepathy goal is Twin-Mind whenever that comes into play. I was trying to coax it out of GM where to start on that and he didn't budge ... LOL
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Sorry for being slow in posting, yesterday was hectic and today I'm wasted.
@CaveToad: Some mild railroading to get to the goatling village in order to get an extra member might be in order? When do you expect to make your selection?
That would probably be easiest, but I can make it work in any event.
I have character reviews out to all two of the strongest applicants and am waiting to hear back. There are others in the pipeline at various stages, but not to where they are ready to join.
So, what are everyone up to? Are anyone going to respond to my post or do people just feel like moving to the village? Do we have anything to discuss with golden ram before we leave?
No problem, I was busy yesterday. I am working with a team of engineers in redesigning our Remote Access DMZ (SSL VPN, IPSEC VPN, PPTP VPN, Site-to-Site VPN, DMVPN (corporate network extension over broadband and other inexpensive connectivity mediums to cut down on costs), and Reverse DMVPN (aka DMZ extension into corporate network for increase security, reduce cost in most cases, and to bypass the proxy if the application is not compliant with the current proxy technologies such as SOX 6)) and focusing on making our deadlines. In addition, at home, I upgraded to Windows 10 and had a few wrinkles to iron out which they were successfully ironed out and one other thing which is a work in progress over time.
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Quassine wants to leave for the village and he will speak with the Golden Ram there.
I'm glad with my new job I don't have to deal with that stuff any more. It's all handled by our university. We have one branch office, so we do some VPN stuff for them, but pretty much everything is Citrix traffic so less hassle. I never much enjoyed the networking stuff, now I just play with our Oracle database and keep an eye on the infrastructure stuff (SAN, vmware farm).
I haven't felt the need to jump on Win10 yet, don't have much time. I have a 1200 sq ft garden to deal with, and a victorian home to scrape, sand, prime and paint top to bottom by hand. Plus trying to train for triathlons, which has been tricky to try and fit in.
What Citrix product? We use Citrix Netscalers but I am guessing since you are talking about VM, you are talking about Citrix XenApp? My wife is trying to get into what you are doing now. She has already passed the phone screening and has an in person interview on Monday. Once upon a time, she was a Printed Circuit Board designer until most of that was shipped overseas. You may dislike networking but remember to be nice to your networking team ... lol
To tell you truth, Windows 10 is not a big deal. I just wanted to do it for a challenge and change of scenery but MS did a pretty good beta testing and so far nothing crippling nor really anything special. But hey, at least we got our start button back. I personally don't like touch screen monitors because I like my monitors free of finger prints and it was a totally wrong direction for MS to go when they rolled out Windows 8 tile only OS.
Sounds like a lot of work and with a 1200 sq ft garden, it sounds like you do not have to shop for fruit and vegetables. Some day, I would like to do that and add aquaponics for both the garden and eating the self-replenishing fish. I would also grow duckweed for the fish to feed on and other necessary tasks so eventually make it mostly self-sufficient.
Nice, a Victorian! So do you have horse haired plaster or did you already replace it with dry wall? ... lol
Wow, you are busy, trying to train for a triathlon too?!
I take that back, I found some cool features I like about Windows 10. I really like full screen start menu and some of the multimedia things. Perhaps more to come?
Sorry. I've been real busy. I was helping my youth group at an event. And then when I was here I was trying to communicate to new players I'm starting a game with.
What Citrix product? We use Citrix Netscalers but I am guessing since you are talking about VM, you are talking about Citrix XenApp? My wife is trying to get into what you are doing now. She has already passed the phone screening and has an in person interview on Monday. Once upon a time, she was a Printed Circuit Board designer until most of that was shipped overseas. You may dislike networking but remember to be nice to your networking team ... lol
To tell you truth, Windows 10 is not a big deal. I just wanted to do it for a challenge and change of scenery but MS did a pretty good beta testing and so far nothing crippling nor really anything special. But hey, at least we got our start button back. I personally don't like touch screen monitors because I like my monitors free of finger prints and it was a totally wrong direction for MS to go when they rolled out Windows 8 tile only OS.
Sounds like a lot of work and with a 1200 sq ft garden, it sounds like you do not have to shop for fruit and vegetables. Some day, I would like to do that and add aquaponics for both the garden and eating the self-replenishing fish. I would also grow duckweed for the fish to feed on and other necessary tasks so eventually make it mostly self-sufficient.
Nice, a Victorian! So do you have horse haired plaster or did you already replace it with dry wall? ... lol
Wow, you are busy, trying to train for a triathlon too?!
Yeah Xenapp. LOL, well yes I am the networking team too. Our IT team is basically two people so we all wear multiple hats.
The garden is a lot of work, mostly weeding, because I stupidly bought some straw bales to put down, and the straw went to seed. Next year, raised beds with some high tech moisture control systems, and automated alerts sent to my phone from the garden. This year rain has been plentiful, until the last few weeks. I will have rain barrels set up and more. Only our first year in the house.
The previous owners had done most of the rennovation, and they replastered it. Only one room has drywall, part of the house added on in the 50s. We tore it all down to the studs and are redoing it, and putting in hardwood flooring.
The training is slow, I have been a runner for years, but adding in the swim and bike part is a scheduling challenge. Eventual goal is Half then Full Ironman.
You guys are working with computers too? I find that a disproportionally large amount of the playerbase are doing that. Personally I'm programming, not dealing with networking/operations unless I have to.
On the home front I'm quite busy with my little son. No time for much else around the apartment. We are looking to buy a house soon though. I'm not much for gardening though, so won't look for one with too big garden.
@Magic: You shouldn't join more games than you have time for ;).
and I study computer science :)
You guys are working with computers too? I find that a disproportionally large amount of the playerbase are doing that. Personally I'm programming, not dealing with networking/operations unless I have to.
It makes sense why you have more time on the weekend now. Programmers get into this focus zone and then they keep typing code. Operations goes in spurts with bits of idle time.
I'm studying... Grammar... Engineering?...
*cough* English Major *cough*
This weekend I've been trying to recover from a week with little sleep, sorry for not posting much. I went to bed quite late due to the baby (3:30), then I was woken up like 10 so my wife could sleep some more before going to bed again like 1430ish and finally waking up around 18ish to make dinner... Now my sleep schedule is surely ruined. I'll try to get back into things IC.
Just wanna make sure I know you know:
Earth Mephits speak common, as per their bestiary entry. They kinda have to, being among the most common elementals to summon.
I understand if you're just making stuff hard for us. Just wanted to make sure I know that you're aware of that. :P
They speak Common, your group does not :) You speak what people spoke 10,000 years ago. Ancient Common or whatever you want to call it.
I know which language(s) I'm learning next level :). Simon, if you pick up share language learning might be easier, though at level 4 I will get infusions so I can just give comprehend to whatever we encounter that we can't understand (though I guess someone might be able to get tongues before that).
Definitely getting a strong case for taking acolyte.
I think Bard is the one to take it on. Sorcerer is a full caster, so I need to keep that one up, and Summoner needs to keep the eidolon at the fullest level possible to keep it on par with the group at late levels.
Acolyte? What do you mean by that?
Evangelist, sorry. Wrong church word.
Which Languages do still work? My guess would be the elemental languages, Infernal, Celestial, Abyssal, Aklo, and maybe spiderling ;) and Sylvan.
Evangelist, sorry. Wrong church word.
You mean for the extra language you get at character level 11? We'll get access to tongues way before that. In fact you can just pick up share language for your bard next level and we'll be able to communicate with anyone. Or is it some other reason for getting it? Level 11 is a long way away.
Which Languages do still work? My guess would be the elemental languages, Infernal, Celestial, Abyssal, Aklo, and maybe spiderling ;) and Sylvan.
This was already discussed over in the main discussion thread I belive. Most languages have changed, though maybe the lawful outsider languages like celestial and infernal might have remained somewhat the same. I don't remember what the verdict was on elemental, but abyssal is chaotic and in constant flux.
But it would only last for so long, and still be eating up spell slots.
It's mostly over the fact that he can learn them overnight as opposed to having to learn every language he puts a skill rank on over time instead of just getting them.
And I already kind of wanted it to begin with.
It's basically a one level dip and one feat for free extra class features for the rest of the leveling he does.
It is a great class true. Especially if you benefit a lot from the special abilities granted from the specific version of defic obedience. There are not THAT many ways to get untyped bonuses to abilities. I'm going to stick with the standard exalted boons from Desna. The last boon, Blast of Motes, is pretty damn nice for Xanya. Summoning a lillend is nice too. I don't think I'll get the exalted prestige class to get it earlier though.
My idea was to learn from the merphit.
I am having Goliath join this table. Now that you are at the village and mingling with the group with Tolhemia, it is perfect timing.
Ok, sounds good.
That's great. I really like his character. Though there might be some conflict with Xanya due to her weird ideas, but hopefully he'll work more like a mentor instead.
@Goliath: With the new cheesedip rules are you multiclassing into warlord, taking it with twin mind or something else? It's not very good as a cheesedip now, though I sup you still get gambits and a first level stance.
Wrong toon Goliath, Tristan, whoever you are.
Oh you caught it! ... Cool, welcome aboard!