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Megan's Kingmaker PbP

Game Master Megan Robertson

A game of Paizo's Kingmaker AP, with some of the best players it has been my pleasure to DM!
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Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

Ironically since you say you didn't want to go into depth, there's a lot of detail that muddies the waters in a comparison because there's several details that are the same in both builds, therefore not necessarily relevant to the comparison. There's also a few items that I think you overlooked because you were trying to concentrate on the major differences - the strength bonus to damage does not appear to be correct for the stalwart defender build is one that jumped out at me.

Most importantly in my mind, if I'm going to try to compare, I need to know what the Student of War abilties are that you will be losing in the switch. I did not have time to go back through the thread to view previous posts.

So I'm giving all of that to provide my excuses for not giving a response. Ultimately, Gorguk's right, anyway. Go with your gut - if it feels like Lothar is developing toward a tank, you have your answer. If it feels like he's going more cerebral in his combat, you have your answer. If he's going for a cerebral tank, I have no idea what to tell you. ;-)

Sorry if it sounds like I'm copping out, it's not my intent. But I do think you are the only one that can answer this. The whole build is far more complicated than I would do, so I can't even tell you which choice I would take if it were my character. Either choice will be very cool, I don't think you can go wrong.


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

If you want the cerebral tank, well, you should have taken paladin levels instead. :P


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

The paladin role is more than adequately filled by you, sirrah. Cerebral tank, on the other hand....

;P


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

OK, Rhasa's build is not as ironed out or intricate as Lothar's, but here's what I'm looking at. Using decisions already made that are very archer-based and inserting some future decisions for melee (and letting her bonus feats continue the archer goodness), I'm looking at the following series of feats through tenth:

1st (standard) - Point Blank Shot
2nd (bonus) - Precise Shot
3rd (standard) - Deadly Aim
5th (standard) - Weapon Finesse
6th (bonus) - Manyshot
7th (standard) - Power Attack
9th (standard) - Improved Critical (Elven Curved Blade)
10th (bonus) - Improved Precise Shot

The only question is whether my two-handed elven curved blade, a finesse-able weapon, can be used with power attack. It seems like it would be an option, and RAW does not appear to prevent it, but I think it's a DM's call.

If it's kosher, without changing any of her other stats, she would be dealing an average of 14 points per round to an AC of 20 from range and 15 points per round in melee. Not bad for an archer.

Naturally, there are other choices involved - ability score bumps, armor, magical weaponry and defenses - that would factor into this as she develops, but I like the rough outline. (Note for purists, this is a fair departure from Treantmonk's switch-hitting ranger. I'm modifying it based on Rhasa's current stats.)

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

I suppose I'd better make the call, then: it is possible to both finesse and power attack with your blade... but not at the same time :)


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)
Megan Robertson wrote:
I suppose I'd better make the call, then: it is possible to both finesse and power attack with your blade... but not at the same time :)

Reasonable - and it helps direct some of the choices to come. Thanks!


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

OK, this is interesting. I calculated my likelihood of hitting and my average damage with my current stats, but adding the feats I have in mind and increasing the BAB as though I was eighth level.

Using Weapon Finesse, I hit much more often, which I expected. (Attack bonus +12/7 vs +6/1)

Using Power Attack instead, I do far more damage until around AC 20 where the increased chance of hitting slowly overcomes the increased damage. (Damage 1d10+1 vs 1d10+10)

I am debating not taking Weapon Finesse at all even though I like the idea of having a sword with options. If I don't take Weapon Finesse, I could take Quick Draw (to switch between ranged and melee faster when the foe closes in) or Cleave, two likely options. This also puts me closer to the switch hitter as designed - Treantmonk leans toward a melee build, buffing strength and taking melee feats, that happens to have archery skills.

Decisions on this scale are enough for me, I could never manage a complicated build like Lothar's...


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

Are we waiting for something in the gameplay thread? I am ready to head south and start taking onthe Staglord if you are waiting on me.


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3
Rhasadilara Goldenbough wrote:

OK, this is interesting. I calculated my likelihood of hitting and my average damage with my current stats, but adding the feats I have in mind and increasing the BAB as though I was eighth level.

Using Weapon Finesse, I hit much more often, which I expected. (Attack bonus +12/7 vs +6/1)

Using Power Attack instead, I do far more damage until around AC 20 where the increased chance of hitting slowly overcomes the increased damage. (Damage 1d10+1 vs 1d10+10)

I am debating not taking Weapon Finesse at all even though I like the idea of having a sword with options. If I don't take Weapon Finesse, I could take Quick Draw (to switch between ranged and melee faster when the foe closes in) or Cleave, two likely options. This also puts me closer to the switch hitter as designed - Treantmonk leans toward a melee build, buffing strength and taking melee feats, that happens to have archery skills.

Decisions on this scale are enough for me, I could never manage a complicated build like Lothar's...

It's not that complicated.... and I think you're doing yourself a disservice thinking that way. It all comes down to what you want out of a particular build. You're going the single class route, but the options that you have are not very easy to figure out. Trying to navigate that is no small thing. Me... I'm just cherry picking. You're doing the real work. And don't you think otherwise.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

You guys amaze me... I don't think I've ever put as much thought into how a character will develop... It's fascinating to watch!!!

And as for the gameplay, if you are ready to continue South-ish-wards, that's fine by me :)


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)
Lothar Narda wrote:
It's not that complicated.... and I think you're doing yourself a disservice thinking that way. It all comes down to what you want out of a particular build. You're going the single class route, but the options that you have are not very easy to figure out. Trying to navigate that is no small thing. Me... I'm just cherry picking. You're doing the real work. And don't you think otherwise.

Well... I'm limiting the number of choices I have to live with coming out of the gate by making it a single-class build, but I suppose you are correct - there are still a lot of options within a single class and I have to shoehorn everything I want into a single set of abilities. But opening myself to selecting from all of the available classes still seems daunting.

It's all good. I've had my share of characters that never stayed in a single class for more than three levels because I was cherry-picking. I just never felt like I quite got what I was looking for. My favorites have been rather single-minded.

So to speak.


Male Human Witch 5

As it stands right now I am an arcane caster and likely to keep that up for the foreseaable future.

Hexes are all level based as is spell progression!


Male Half-elf Cleric 5

Since we've been discussing different builds, I got to looking at what I might do as far as Calinder is concerned. I got looking at the Loremaster prestige class and thought that it would be a fun path to take.

I'll think about it for now as it'll be awhile until I can go that direction. It just sounds like it is fitting for the direction that I've taken Calinder in, kind of the scholar/historian role.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

For the Saints here: Bit gobsmacked. Got summoned by the Bishop and given a calling, to be a teacher in Relief Society. A year ago I just had a vague idea when the LDS church in Crewe was...


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

Two things: I've been really busy lately...job searching, filing taxes, being called for jury duty, and dealing with the fact that one of my players not only had a heart attack but had surgery to get three stents inserted into her heart. I had a post ready to upload but my computer ate it and I have to redo it again. Hopefully it'll get done before the week is done. The second thing...congratulations on the receiving of your calling. I hope it works out well for you.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

Not to fret, Lothar - you take care of the important stuff first. Every good wish to your player for her swift recovery.

As for the calling, everyone else (including my family) seemed to have expected it - me, I'm still startled at it all happening so quickly. The whole of the meeting on Sunday, people were coming and congratulating me. We have enough teachers that I shall be called upon about once a month. One of my fellow students in the Preparation to Teach class gave me a wonderful gift, a really nice set of scriptures which he said he just happened to have spare... I usually study online, but it will be convenient for church rather than juggling a motley assortment of books.


Male Half-elf Cleric 5

Megan, congratulations on the calling in church. The best advise I can give to you is to try to make the lesson a discussion, instead of lecture as much as possible. I've found if you can get the class members discussing their thoughts and feelings about the lesson subject, it makes your job as teacher a whole lot easier.

It will probably take a few times before you can get a good feel for how the lessons should go, just keep at it and prepare as much as you can before hand, and you'll do fine.

Lothar, sorry to here about your friend, hope she recovers quickly. As you can tell by the frequency of my posts, I've been swamped as well.

I cannot believe that it's been almost a month since I was told that I'm being laid-off from work. I've put out a few resumes and applications, but I haven't got any positive responses back. I got another half dozen jobs I found the other night to apply for once I can get the time to do it.

As for our game, hurray, we've got the Sootscales helping us and the possibility of a bandit scouting party coming our way soon. Let's get them bandits!

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

Thank you, Calinder. The Preparing to Teach class I have been doing since the end of November should help, it's been a fascinating time and a valuable addition to previous secular teacher training - both the regular sort and military 'methods of instruction' - that I have done. I tend to teach by the Socratic method anyway, so it is just a case of prayerful preparation of the material...

... and the old preacher's prayer: "Lord, fill my mouth with worthwhile stuff - then shut it when I've said enough!"


Male Half-elf Cleric 5

I hadn't heard that quote before, but I like it.

Sorry for may absence lately. Been busy the last few days which culminated with coming into work yesterday morning to find that out new server which we had just put into production was down. Took all day to get the issue resolved.

I start looking at what spells Calinder should have ready for when we go after the scouting party. If anyone has some suggestions, or would like something specific, let me know.

I have the ability to cast Entangle. That could also cause some havoc along with Barnabus' new spell.


Male Human Witch 5

Figure my spells prepared will stay the same for the foreseeable future.

You put them on the plate
I will season them up and
Gorguk can skewer them
....

Dinner! Yum!


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

As far as spells go, obviously Lothar's haven't changed any. So there's grease, which could be of use to cause havoc amongst the patrol, and vanish, which can be used to conceal the presence of one or two of us. And of course message to keep us in communication with each other.


Male Human Witch 5

And lothar can tenderize them!


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

I have no spells, but I will deliver the toothpicks. Pointy-end first.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

And then Dyfrig will no doubt find a suitable recipe... :)

Roast leg of bandit with moonradish sauce and root mash, perhaps?


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

Ugh, leg of bandit can be kind of gamey.


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

Megan! Did you have them rename the game? I was just thinking a day or two ago that it could probably be corrected, and then I didn't recognize it when I came looking! Good thing for "new" tags!


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

Do we really want to know how you found this out?


Male Human Witch 5
Lothar Narda wrote:
Do we really want to know how you found this out?

Kobolds I imagine!


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

Is there something that Rhasa should be telling us then, because she's frickin' huge for a kobold! Not to mention extremely pale and smooth-skinned. ;)

DM:
To give you an idea of where Lothar is headed with his future extra curricular activities: Medieval Batman suit. This was done in Texas at Prince Armory and is made from leather. Ain't it cool?


Male Half-elf Cleric 5

I'm sure it is just a rumor that Rhasa has heard in her travels ... right Rhasa, that is right isn't it? Please let that be right ...


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

Yes, I have traveled a lot and heard many things.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

For the Saints here: just got in from attending a baptism. I'd been asked to give the opening prayer. Apparently people think that I am good at praying!


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

Good for you.


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

Yes Cal it was you I meant to release the entangle spell. I must say that with 3 spell casters we have a lot of options. Nice change of pace.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

Thanks, Lothar. One of our missionaries called yesterday. He is moving to a new assignment and wanted to express appreciation and thank me for all I do... ME? He's doing all the hard work!

As for this alternate reality: some nice in-character stuff going on, well done everybody. It's fun trying to give all my bandits separate personalities so that they are more than someone to beat up on...


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

@Rhasa,

bough

— n
any of the main branches of a tree

[Old English bōg arm, twig; related to Old Norse bōgr shoulder, ship's bow, Old High German buog shoulder, Greek pēkhus forearm, Sanskrit bāhu ; see bow ³, elbow ]

So your character's last name could be read as golden arm, which is appropriate considering her skill with the bow. Figured it would make for a cool Lothar-style nickname.


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

Is everything ok? I've been checking in to see if there's any progress but there doesn't appear to be any.


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

I've been waiting, too. I'm hopeful that our fearless DM had more success with the last job interview she told us about and just finds herself too busy.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

Nope :(

Just posted, though...


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

Wasn't sure what we were waiting for but skipping ahead to the fort is fine by me.


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

I actually thought the fort was the next stop unless our fearless DM wished to spring something on us during our trip down.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

It is going to take you 4 days' hard riding (as in no stopping apart from meals and sleeping) to get there... we can just say you are there and get on with reconnoitering if you are happy with that.

(Why do folks say 'fearless DM' - there isn't anythng to be afraid of this side of the screen!)


Elf Ranger (Guide, Skirmisher)

I'm fine with it. I say it to remind the DM that there's nothing to fear on their side of the screen. ;-)


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

Agree here. Lets continue on. Does the travel time include exploring the hexes as we go? If so great if not, that is fine so we can take the Staglord out and deal with exploration later.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

OK - I am teaching in church tomorrow (the Relief Society lesson about the Temple for the LDS here... quite silly as I am not yet eligible to go as I was only baptised last September!) so need to work on my lesson a bit more.

You will arrive at the Stag Lord's fort tomorrow after church. I was thinking that as you sound ready for a fight we'd deal with the Stag Lord first, and explore at your leisure afterwards.


Male Half-elf Cleric 5

Megan, hope your lesson went well. There's no better way to learn about something than to have to teach someone else, at least as far as church goes anyway.

Ironically, the time I felt more nervous was when my wife and I taught the Sunbeams (3 & 4 year-olds). It was a learning experience for sure. Trying to condense a lesson down to match their attention span, and then figuring out what to do with the rest of the class time. Once we got the hang of it, it was a good assignment.

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

They said that they enjoyed the lesson, nearly all of them thanked me for it. Not sure when I shall be called upon again, we have quite a few ladies called to be Relief Society teachers. They have been reassigning the home teachers and to my surprise I have the Stake President as one of mine!

Liberty's Edge

Female Depemds on the game system (human in the real world)

Regarding Gyronna - I believe she's mentioned in Guide to the River Kingdoms... Gorguk, haven't you read that?


male Half-orc Paladin 2 HP: 18/18 AC: 19/10/19 saves: F7+, R3, W5

Dont' worry still following hte IC thread just nothing to add since I am resting. Hopefully nothing happens in the night but Gorguk will be prepared. I don't really have the skills for this anyways. Good Luck you 2.


Male Vudran bard (magician) 2/ninja 3

The site's dice roller is showing me some serious love... Should I be worried?

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