Kingmaker [PbP] (Inactive)

Game Master Jeff Przybylo

OK, I have the following:

Amulet of Natural Armour +1, 1,000
Everburning Torch 110
1 x Potion of Cure Light Wounds 50
1 x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds 300
Chain shirt 100
1 Masterwork Whip 301
1 Whip 1
2 Kukris 16
1 Dagger 2
1 Dagger, Alchemical Silver 22
6 Weapon Cords 0.6
2 Blade boots 50
4 flasks Alchemist's fire 80
1 Tanglefoot bag 50
2 Smokesticks 40
Cold iron sawback dagger 9
Spring-loaded wrist sheath 5
Fighter's kit 9
Compass 10
Fine cologne 10
Cold weather outfit 8
Explorer's outfit (free)
Fabulous hat 25
Jewellery 50 gp
Courtier's outfit plus fashionable accessories 50
Grooming kit 5
Gear maintenance kit 5
2 additional Waterskins 4
3 Pathfinder Chronicle 150
Light horse, combat-trained 110
Riding saddle 10
Saddlebags 4
Wand of CLW (group share) 125

TOTAL 2,709.6 gp

^ You need some more stuff!

I had come to that self-same conclusion...

Incidentally, on the topic of stuff, another thought intrudes - that of role.

When Edric and I joined, you were in need of melee tank types, and with so many in the group I had the luxury of building a battlefield-control type rather than a full on DPR monster.

Now of course our numbers are lower, and although we have Gav and Edric to do melee, we lack our archer.

So... I'm happy to retrain my feats to be a shooty type. After all, as far as I'm concerned it's the personality that makes play fun (and no, Talia, that's not up for renegotiation :P)

If I'm going to retrain, now is the time to do it, though - the six months we've just had would be easily enough time.

Thoughts?

I will chime in all of these topics;

WBL: once you know where you are right now. Make the adjustment to where you should be. Post what you want to do. You can assume that in 6 months there will be time for you to get what you need from Restov. This time. Start planning for the next level!

WBL cont'd: still need Gav and Edric to do their analysis.

Retraining: no issues with you retraining yourselves as long as it makes some sense.

WBL still: looking at what Talia and Vosil put forth, you won't get too far before you hit your WBL. +1 whip (or bow as necessary), +1 chain, ring of protection, and you're right there pretty much.

Speaking of role, are we turning Dregan into an NPC for the wilderness exploration stuff? Otherwise, it is Vosil with his +5 modifier leading us around the wilderness.

As far as retraining goes, sounds fine to me.

And I wouldn't change Vosil's personality for all the gold in Golarian :)

who's going to stand up with Nara? Will his elvish parents look down on him for marrying a mortal?

...again.

^ Yeah, I'm sure that disappointment is old news to Nara's parents :)

Good stuff, OGGM! I'd watch that show.

Thanks Talia. I'm not sure what to do about Dregan for exploration. He was kind of important to the team from the wilderness-expert aspect.

I'm not sure what to do about Dregan for exploration. He was kind of important to the team from the wilderness-expert aspect.

Well... he avenged his brother, so maybe he decides that the home-stuff is now more important to him (or maybe his wife just goes directly to Talia and says something like "no ifs, ands or buts - you make sure my man comes home safe to me"). He'll help with the wilderness stuff, but in a fight he'll be holding the horses or guarding the base camp.

Studded Leather: 25
Buckler: 5
Rapier: 20
War Razor: 8
Longbow: 75
Arrows (20): 1
Potion of Clw (2): 100
Potion of CMW (2): 600
Goodberries (5): I'm assuming these rotted away by now.
Backpack: 2
Bedroll: .1
Beltpouch: 1
Flint and Steel: 1
Waterskin: 1
Light Horse: 75
Boots of the Elvenkind: 2,500
Ring of Protection +1: 2,000
Polar Bear Blanket: 50
Royal Outfit: 100
Amber Chunk: 100

Total: 5,664.1

Alright, I got myself tallied up.

As for what to do with Dregan, I was going to suggest the same thing, Vosil. We can even allow him to stay home and say that we take one of his scouts with us. Say the scout was trained by him so we can use his rolls, keeps him out of danger, and we aren't actually using the scout as a combatant.

EDIT: Forgot what I was getting from Restov while we have to opportunity. I'll pick up a +1 rapier, +1 Parade Armor, and a +1 Buckler. That'll leave me about 185 gp left to add to my sheet.

Unless I'm doing this all wrong.

I like the ideas about Dregan, we can do that.

As far as cash on your sheet, I'm not going to be too exacting on that because you ruling-types should have cash on hand. As long as you don't go overboard, spending here and there won't matter. Up to a hundred gp at a go, say. And no, you can't buy a Staff of Power in 2500 installments of 100gp each...

Naralesh's last post was actually July 31, where he posted in the Kingdom Builder Discussion tab about the new Doctor Who. Still, it's been a while for sure. We shall see what happens. I think Talia scared him off. Lose an eye fighting bandits? No sweat. Marry Talia? Where's the nearest door!

OK, so if I'm retraining, the feats look something like this

Lvl 1 feat - Point-blank shot
Bonus human feat - Rapid shot
Bonus fighter 1 feat - Precise shot
Bonus fighter 2 feat - Deadly aim
Level 3 feat - Weapon focus (longbow)
Bonus fighter 4 feat - Dazzling display
Level 5 feat - Weapon specialisation (longbow)

Expenditures:

(possibly exchange the masterwork whip for a composite longbow)
Belt of +2 Dex: 4,000
Weapon +1: 2,000
Cloak of resistance +1: 1,000

Bank the rest (about 800 gp) for more goodies later.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If anyone gets a plus to their kingdom-stat (Cha for most of you, I think, with Str for Edric?), please let me know as it will affect our kingdom! Thankyou

Naralesh's last post was actually July 31, where he posted in the Kingdom Builder Discussion tab about the new Doctor Who. Still, it's been a while for sure. We shall see what happens. I think Talia scared him off. Lose an eye fighting bandits? No sweat. Marry Talia? Where's the nearest door!

Ya know, even though we've been in that thread for about a month, I completely forgot about it when I was looking through things! Thanks for catching that!

And I can't do the wilderness stuff that Dregan can, but I can pick up the slack in the scouting department.

I'm still here. I'm just pretty busy, and the Kingdom Builder stuff doesn't interest me as much as the "kill stuff with elementals" stuff and the roleplay, so I wasn't checking as often as I usually do. But I'm still around!

Edit: I seem to have missed something rather... significant while I was away. Holy crap, sorry to cliffhanger everyone!

Excellent! Epic posts, you two! Now Naralesh needs to do his WBL analysis and get updated to the right level, and we can be off. In the meantime, we have things to do...

OK, re-trained and re-tooled. Ready to go out as an archer type (also, I swapped out my Everburning Torch for an Ioun Torch - the trade is about equivalent in cost, but the Ioun version is hands-free).

Just waiting on this romance sub-plot...

(Talia, if Vosil has to find out about this via the servants, he's going to be miffed.

There will be miffage.)

I'm mulling over whether to buy a couple of things or to just sit on the money. I'll have it figured out this weekend.

We don't want miffage, Vosil! Gameplay post up.

Vosil is, without exception, the wordiest PC I have ever played.

"Tomorrow is the marriage! It's practically here!"
Then he growled, with his Scoudrel fingers nervously drumming,
"I MUST find some way to stop the marriage from coming!"

-Gavriil

In all seriousness, it gives some great character development!

"Oh the noise, the noise!
the noise, noise, NOISE!
Then Council will sit down to a feast,
with potatoes, and carrots, and Stolen Lands beast.
Stolen Lands beast is a feast I can't stand in the least!"

-Unknown Poet

Ah, this game....

Vosil is, without exception, the wordiest PC I have ever played.

Great words, though.

"Tomorrow is the marriage! It's practically here!"

Then he growled, with his Scoudrel fingers nervously drumming,
"I MUST find some way to stop the marriage from coming!"

-Gavriil

In all seriousness, it gives some great character development!

Poor Gav :/

@OGGM, I think I'm going to hang onto the extra gold for now. Good to go.

"Stolen Lands beast is a feast I can't stand in the least!"

"I could not, would not, in a war.

The references to the good Doctor S begin piling up!

Good lord there's been a lot to get through... and I haven't even read the gameplay or kingdom building threads. There's a wedding going on?

I'll tally my wealth now and then edit this post 80 times as I catch up :D

Breastplate 0.2k
+1 Heavy Wood Shield 1.007k
+1 Composite Shortbow (+2) 2.150k
+2 Earthbreaker of Awesomesauce - 18.04k
Ring of Feather Falling 2.2k
Masterwork Warhammer 0.312k
Mapmakers Kit 0.01
Paladin's Kit: backpack, bedroll, belt pouch, cheap holy text, flint and steel, iron pot, mess kit, rope, soap, torches (10), trail rations (5 days), waterskin, wooden holy symbol 0.011
Starknife 0.024k

Wand of Cure Light (26 charges) 125gp

817gp 109sp

Total: 24,906.9 gp. (As suspected this is almost entirely down to the Earthbreaker of Awesomesauce, without it I'd be well under WBL - as it is... no AC upgrades for Edric until about level 8...)

EDIT: caught up on kingdom building - things seem to be going well. Now what is this wedding all about...?

Welcome back, Edric! As you can see, we've just been passing the time with a bit of roleplaying - nothing important... ;-)

Welcome back, Edric! As you can see, we've just been passing the time with a bit of roleplaying - nothing important... ;-)

Just the succession of the kingdom... nothing much :)

And yeah... wow - I can't decide whether to feel left out or worried that I inhibit the groups RP if this is what you get up when I'm gone! Oh well, I'll just go and sit in the corner with the Earthbreaker of Awesomesauce... we'll be happy there... :'( :P

Well, if you will go off and get married, you'll miss all the fun!

(Seriously, though, congratulations on embarking on your very own RL adventure! Wishing you every happiness)

Yay, Edric's back! Hope you had fun on your travels and the wedding went smoothly.

Where in Italy were you?

Welcome back, Edric! And congratulations!

Yay, Edric's back! Hope you had fun on your travels and the wedding went smoothly.

Where in Italy were you?

We got married in Rome (42 degrees c!), then honeymooned in Venice and Florence :)

Talia Khavortorov wrote:

Yay, Edric's back! Hope you had fun on your travels and the wedding went smoothly.

Where in Italy were you?

We got married in Rome (42 degrees c!), then honeymooned in Venice and Florence :)

Jeez, did you go anywhere nice??? ;)

Edric 'Godly' wrote:

Talia Khavortorov wrote:

Yay, Edric's back! Hope you had fun on your travels and the wedding went smoothly.

Where in Italy were you?

We got married in Rome (42 degrees c!), then honeymooned in Venice and Florence :)

Jeez, did you go anywhere nice??? ;)

Well I'm sorry the USA wasn't on our itinerary - there are other good places in the world too you know! :D :P

EDIT - Gav has just struck again btw. The Earthbreak of Awesomesauce has a name now :D

I'll get my WBL analysis and whatnot done tonight as well - or tomorrow at the latest. (I have another game to GM tonight which might take up some time.)

On the topic of marriage, Naralesh has hinted in the past that he's of noble birth, and I'll elaborate on that in my next in-character post. This raises some questions about what precisely will happen as Talia and I join our houses.

I've been consulting with a friend who is an expert on medieval culture and noble marriages has played a lot of Crusader Kings 2, and I think we should have a matrilineal marriage. Essentially it would mean that any children we might have are of Talia's house/dynasty, not mine, and wouldn't stand to inherit lands from Naralesh's side of the family (instead of the alternative, wherein our kingdom would probably be annexed by the elves in a generation or two). This particularly makes sense considering Talia is our ruler, and her family likely is more prestigious than mine (not to mention much more closely tied to the adventure path's story).

The houses will still be joined by marriage, though, and this could prove helpful if our nation is ever at war. We might be able to elicit some elven favors or aid.

I've been consulting with a friend who is an expert on medieval culture and noble marriages has played a lot of Crusader Kings 2, and I think we should have a matrilineal marriage. Essentially it would mean that any children we might have are of Talia's house/dynasty, not mine, and wouldn't stand to inherit lands from Naralesh's side of the family (instead of the alternative, wherein our kingdom would probably be annexed by the elves in a generation or two). This particularly makes sense considering Talia is our ruler, and her family likely is more prestigious than mine (not to mention much more closely tied to the adventure path's story).

Hey = you could have just asked me! I have over 1100 hours logged on that game! I've studied the time peiod properly too!

Matrilineal marriage certainly seems the way to go, politics practically demands it since Nara is, at least in practise, the lower ranked member of the marriage and has fewer titles/lands to bring to the whole thing.

I was thinking morganatic, but that might not be appropriate - the only examples I could find are of a higher-ranked male marrying a lower-ranking female, which is the opposite of what we have here.

EDIT: beaten to it by Edric. Trust him - he's clearly the expert. 1100 hours of expert :P

EDIT: beaten to it by Edric. Trust him - he's clearly the expert. 1100 hours of expert :P

I like to do things properly :P Besides, the Byzantine Empire should never have fallen. It's only a matter of time before the Great Schism is healed now that I hold Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and Rome!

Wow - I'm suddenly glad you're playing a paladin in this incarnation, and not a byzantine!

I must confess I never got the hang of Crusader Kings - I like to understand the underlying mechanics of a game (which is why I do RPGs I suppose) and Paradox seems to take an unholy delight in telling you NOTHING about how the game actually works.

We got married in Rome (42 degrees c!), then honeymooned in Venice and Florence :)

42c? Shoot, we call that Tuesday in South Texas.

In all seriousness that's awesome. I'd love to spend some time in Rome.

Paradox seems to take an unholy delight in telling you NOTHING about how the game actually works.

This is true. I've spent a lot of time online reading guides to learn their games.

I have over 1000 hours logged of EU4. It is one of the greatest historical simulators ever created, imo. Much more complex and rich than say, Civ Whatever.

Never played Crusader Kings, though. Can anyone compare the two?

I don't know anything about EU4 and only a little about Crsader Kings 2 but I will say this: I'm glad none of us are gunslingers in this game because we can't hit the broadside of a barn in xcom 2!

Game ran late, past midnight - post coming tomorrow. :)

I've never played EU4 but I know that there is a converter which you can use to transfer a CK2 game that has finished (in 1453) into an EU4 game so you can play across about 1000 years of european history all told.

CK2 you take control of a dynasty (anything from Random Count No-one McNoface in Scotland right through to the Comneni/Plantagenets/Valois) and try to rule for as long as you possibly can. You play for the dynasty, not individual rulers since they always die off. (Case in point - I've been conducting a convoluted plan to inherit the Kingdom of Lombardy. I've lost 4 emperors while the king i concluded the original deal with is still alive.... Luckily the byzantines breed reasonably well!)

My long term goal for example is to resurrect the Roman Empire - that's something that is going to take about 30 generations, but as long as an Isauros sits on the Imperial Throne each time then thats fine. :)

Anyone wants to know more I'd be happy to play online or something sometime! :D

Just wanted to say sorry once again for delaying the next post - it's not been an easy week and I've had multiple things come up the last few days. You can go ahead and move us along - I'll post a "back at the announcement" summary with the relevant details when able. Part of it is that I need to settle all the specifics, especially if his family might make an appearance at the wedding.

I have over 1000 hours logged of EU4. It is one of the greatest historical simulators ever created, imo. Much more complex and rich than say, Civ Whatever.

Ha, sure - but have you landed the Spartans on Mars? Or introduced the Sumerians to the pointy end of nuclear power? Yeah, didn't think so :P

Anyway, currently designing starships (got my copy of Starfinder to download, eventually). Beep me when we leave Drift space get going again.

We'll get going here today. Sorry, been a busy weekend/Monday.

Hey, no problems - I'm currently setting Grasers to "Really? You couldn't come up with a better name than that?"

(In all seriousness, Starfinder is awesome* and I'm loving the 500+ page rulebook, or at least what I've read of it so far: I got more distracted by the starships chapter than any - alleged - grownup has a right to be...)

*It's DEFINITELY the space-based RPG you're looking for!

I've been reading it, it LOOKS good, we'll see how it plays. I'm very tempted to start a game on pbp just to see how it goes and work through it with a group. I'm amazed how much I've learned about Pathfinder by playing here, I'm sure it will be an experience in Starfinder.

I'm due to play a tabletop game on Thursday evening to playtest the rules - low magic game only (no mystic, solarion or technomancer).

I'll let you have an AAR if you like.

Oh crap! I forgot that came out! Excuse me while I scream like a school girl while going through the rule book! We can take Concord to space!!!

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