Well, to be honest Petrova didn't need much. Just find a way to do a little more damage(like weapon spec/piranha strike) and she would have been fine. But I understand the need to reduce your game load. You are one of the few who's got more games than me.
And does Kanthuun want anything from the loot list? If not, I'll send out the final gold totals.
Your face is a potato!
/goes back to writing a post
Is Haka almost out of the oven and play-ready?
Hey Talon, you could always reshape your character a bit if you're unhappy. I did that with Kanthuun and am much happier. What do you feel you're missing? Besides +5 plate armor. Was it mainly damage that took you out, or would something like Unbreakable archetype help with things?
...of course, if The Trout Above agrees to reshaping. Blessed be The Trout.
It was mainly damage and in the case of the guardian, unhealable damage from a creature with an attack bonus higher than my AC. I don't want a rebuild. I alread retrained a feat and used my level 7 feat to get heavy armor which should help. I just needed to vent a little.
So, did you want anything from the loot list?
Yeah, Talon. I think your build is solid. I think you just had some bad luck and that clay golem was an opponent designed to dismay any build! You'll kick some serious butt upon our return to Abaddon.
Well, I just wasn't prepared to tank for the entire party. Now that I know I have to, I'm prepared. And I hope I will.
Well, if there's another cloak of protection, how much would it cost me to get and upgrade?
It would cost you 500 from your share of the loot. Then to upgrade it you pay the difference between the market price. So to go from +1 to +3 it would be 9000 - 1000(market price) so 8k.
Is Haka almost out of the oven and play-ready?
Almost. Work boiled over a bit the last couple of days, and I spent more time than I should have pondering spells. But may wrap him up tonight.
I also want to let everyone know (some of you know already from the Ravenmoor campaign) that I'll be travelling over the holidays and may be limited in my ability to post. Middle of next week I leave for 3 weeks, and some of the time I won't have any internet access and some of the time I'll be able to post at least once a day if not more. Sorry to have that happen just as I'm entering the campaign, but I will dive back in fully when I return.
Just so everyone knows, Drovya would like to use the Scholars Ring to read the books we found in the guardian's room, maybe he can split the duties with Rohini. After that, we can dispose of it however we like.
I don't have any other cool rings yet, so I'll take the other ring of protection. Two +1 rings stack, right? And the eye. Otherwise I'll take gold and go shopping for something. (I have to review the good sorcerer items--some are from UE if I recall.)
Rohini is tempted to take the scholar's ring, considering that she is a cleric of the travel domain who has spent her life wandering since escaping from her hag mother. It makes a lot of sense for her to have the ability to understand languages everywhere. But the ring is not very important to our immediate quest, and I suppose she can always just cast comprehend languages, so on balance we should sell the ring once Drovya and Rohini have finished reviewing the books. Rohini speaks Abyssal, so she may not even need the ring to read the books.
Two ring's of protection do not stack, but you don't have one right? So, with that said, I'm going to hand out the totals to everyone so you can finalize shopping.
Rohini
Pearl of Power 4
+ 1 Mithral Shirt
Cloak of Resistance +1
Boots of Elvenkind
10135 gold
Drovya
Pearl of Power 4
11072 gold
Hanethes
21072 gold
Kanthuun
Ring of Protection +1
19,822
Talon
Dusty Rose Ioun Stone
+1 Fullplate
16183
Once we have identified what the books are and what they're worth, I'll hand out more of course.
So, Rohini has 10,135gp to spend after "buying" those items from the group spoils? And I assume the 10,135gp doesn't include the 550gp she'll get from selling her old Mithral shirt?
Which items that Haka is interested in are left over to be sold? Should we give those to Haka, which would decrease our own available funds?
By the way. Much gratitude to you Talon for handling this aspect of things.
You're welcome and yes, 10,135 is how much you get after you "bought" party loot. That's why I listed both to lessen confusion. I'll let you handle anything you wish to sell from your stuff. If we give them to Haka, it does mean we can't sell it so we get less gold. But if Haka really wants something, I'm not opposed to it, but he should speak up before we sell it all off.
I'm sorry Talon, I'm not really understanding how you got these figures. Is this assuming that we sell everything that isn't claimed? I thought we would probably end up keeping the consumables and storage items. Also, items that are kept count as full value, right? Like we could sell a Pearl of Power for 4,000 gp, but it counts as 8000 gp if kept. Same goes for armor, right?
Sorry for all the questions, these numbers just seem kind of high. Thanks for doing this stuff, and in advance for explaining where the numbers came from.
Okay, so if we literally sell everything, we get 77,492 gold. Split 5 ways, its 15498. Everytime one of us takes something from the loot, say the pearl of power 4, they lose 8k from their share and that 8k is divided amongst the other 4 PCs, so in this case they get an extra 2k each. For purposes of this, I only have people pay what we would sell it for as having that PC pay full price defeats the purpose. So if we can sell something for 8k, you "buy" it for 8k.
If we keep, the consumables and the storage items, that's easy enough to subtract from everyone's gold totals.
I don't understand what this means, Drovya: "items that are kept count as full value." They count as full value in determining one's character's total value of magic items (for wealth by level comparison), but I'm not sure how that's relevant to the division of the loot. That is, a player should only have to "pay" the party half value if he/she wants to keep something from the loot pile, because the party can only sell it for half value. [EDIT: It seems like Talon and I are on the same page.]
I agree it probably makes sense to keep stuff like CLW potions and bags of holding as general party equipment.
Finally, I'm assuming the party doesn't want to invest the resources into buying diamond dust to facilitate restoration and raise dead spells. We don't need the dust to remove temporary levels, and I don't see the party spending 5000 gp on enough dust to cast raise dead, so there wouldn't be a permanent level issue. Unless we can convince the church Sarenrae to give us a scroll of raise dead, in which case the party may want to spend 1000gp on diamond dust so Rohini can cast restoration (unless the church gives us a restoration scroll too). Rohini isn't willing to buy the dust from her own share.
When was diamond dust mentioned...?
Ah. I'll get back to this later. :) Imma take a walk for the first time in forever, do some corrections, and then -POST STORM!
Alright, so if we keep all the consumables and the storage items, we all lose 675 gold each. And Rohini has the right of it.
I am personally okay with investing resources into buying raise dead related stuff. I will chip in my share.
Drovya brought up the diamond dust issue previously, because it is a material component for restoration, a 4th level spell now available to Rohini.
Rohini actually thinks the party should ask the Church of Sarenrae to provide the party with a number of divine scrolls, especially things like communal delay poison, neutralize poison, remove disease, and align weapon. It seems that providing those scrolls (in multiples, preferably), wouldn't really be such a drain on the powerful church's resources, and it seems only appropriate to provide those to a group you're sending to Abaddon to fight daemons (evil, poisonous, disease ridden abominations) to rescue a church leader. They want us to succeed, right? Any thoughts?
Okay, so if we literally sell everything, we get 77,492 gold. Split 5 ways, its 15498. Everytime one of us takes something from the loot, say the pearl of power 4, they lose 8k from their share and that 8k is divided amongst the other 4 PCs, so in this case they get an extra 2k each. For purposes of this, I only have people pay what we would sell it for as having that PC pay full price defeats the purpose. So if we can sell something for 8k, you "buy" it for 8k.
If we keep, the consumables and the storage items, that's easy enough to subtract from everyone's gold totals.
Ok, now I get it. I swear, some days I'm as thick as a brick. I also forgot that a 4th level PoP "costs" 16k gp new. Thanks for the explanation guys.
Also, are the wands included in consumables since we all kicked in for them at the outset? Also, do we have a count on how many charges we used off them? That's something we should probably track as well.
I am also all for raise dead expenditures, and some spare diamond dust to handle energy/ability drain. But mostly I agree with Rohini that we should ask the Church of Sarenrae for free stuff. Lots and lots of free stuff.
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It's official. I got an A in junior field. WHOO!
Congrats!
Well done, Trout. I'm impressed that you're able to carry on this campaign in the middle of finals and what not!
I really am almost done. :) No more class attending for a few weeks.
I just have some things to do via email.
Thanks, though.
<w< I should be doing those papers now, but-
/back to scribbling!
Way to go Trout! Knock 'em dead, kiddo!
Congratulations, Trout! Nice work.
You are too kind. :D
So where does this glorious wash of gold and magic leave everyone as far as wealth by level? It seems like you must be over, given the numbers and items involved - if I'm reading the posts correctly, Hanethes is almost at lvl 7 WBL in gold just from this haul alone. I love a treasure-rich campaign, and I'm wondering if I should go over as well, and by how much. I'll take a look at items you all haven't picked for yourselves, if that's okay, but given size & class differences, I might do better buying some additional stuff.
Whatcha think, Trout-who-is-free-from-the-oppression-of-finals?
I think you have an extra 5k to spend, as none of that stuff is sized appropriately.
Yea, we're over the wealth by level by about 30%. That's mainly due to Survivor syndrome which I've experienced before. If you would like to pick some stuff, go right ahead. Anything that isn't claimed by a party member, you can have and I will subtract the cost from our shares. I think there's a Cloak resistance +1 that hasn't been claimed.
Oh and can we get the worth of the Silver Locket and the Faultstone? And how hard is it to identify the 2 unknown books?
I think you have an extra 5k to spend, as none of that stuff is sized appropriately.
My, that's a juicy thing to hear from a DM!
I've currently got a +1 Staff Sling, which with Arcane Strike counts as a +3 weapon, so overcomes DR/silver and DR/cold iron. So I'm thinking of adding Bane (Evil Outsider) to it. I imagine this will be very useful - right? I'd do something like 3d6+6 twice per round. And as I think on it, the Bane makes it +2 better against that type, so it would count as +5 (+1 weapon +2 Arcane Strike +2 Bane), so it would even overcome alignment-based DR. Does that sound good?
@Talon - Thanks for the generous attitude on treasure, but it looks like there's not much left and Trout's right about the sizing. Also, I'm looking at your Abaddon Wealth Sheet - is there a way to view it so I can see the formulas? Or does it only display values because you have it set to view only? I'd like to take a look at it for use in another campaign.
Um, Arcane Strike doesn't do that. It just gives a damage bonus and makes your weapon count as magic. It doesn't increase the enhancement bonus at all. However, with bane it does count as a +3 weapon so you're good on cold iron and silver there.
And there really are no formulas as I do all the math in my head.
The faultstone is worth 2,000 uncut and 8,000 when worked (if worked well).
The silver locket... I can't even remember which encounter it was from. I'd have to look.
EDIT: As for the books, all they require is reading and time to identify/decipher.
Ok, we'll get on someone to work the faultstone and maybe Rohini or someone can identify the books.
Arcane Strike says: "For 1 round, your weapons deal +1 damage and are treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction."
I haven't actually used the feat before, but I read the "treated as magic for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction" to mean the bonus (which would be +2 for Haka) counts towards the weapon bonus required to overcome DR. You're saying it just counts against the more basic DR/magic?
I can see that read on it, and looking a bit on the boards that seems to be the way it's played. Given that, are evil outsiders the main thing you have been encountering that have the DR you're worried about? I don't want to get all set to overcome evil outsider DR if it's not our main foe.
Evil Outsiders=The usual customers
Yes, it doesn't stack with existing enhancement bonuses to overcome DR. It's still really good, it's free damage with every attack and it makes it count as magic which at lower levels is really nice. I think everything we've fought except for the guardian has been an evil outsider. We're going to the plane of evil outsiders.
Message received. Lots of them.
Rohini will spend the time to try to figure out the unidentified books.
Ok, we'll get on someone to work the faultstone and maybe Rohini or someone can identify the books.
Hopefully this can be in the background along with armorers and enchanters. Drovya will also assist with book reading (using the scholars ring) and based on Talon's math, it looks like I might have enough gold left over for a headband of vast intelligence +2, so I'm on the lookout for one of those as well.
Claiming the cloak +1 only saves me 500 gp from the total lineup I was planning on purchasing... So, if it is best used by someone else, I don't have much use for any of the other stuff, I'll just buy a new +3 cloak. :P Maybe I can afford +4.
Well it was a thought. +4? That's ambitious, you are serious about your saves.
I gave you all good reason to be paranoid ._.
There's nothing that traumatizes a player like an impossible save. :)