Heroes of the Fifth Crusade (Inactive)

Game Master Klokk

Looking though that link. I am willing to run this campaign as PbP here. Some slight changes to the rules for my table. As I am not a society DM, and never will be, so it will differ from Akinra's rules slightly.

1) Yes guns. (they Never do a ranged touch attack they function just like a bow or xbow far as hitting targets)
2) Any Paizo Race
3) 20 point buy (1:1 cost for all points but all stats start at 8)
4) Max starting gold. (if you want to take wealth parents two times you can and start at 1800gold.)
5) 3 traits, one of which must be a WotR campaign trait.(Campaign Traits are NOT bound to specific Mythic Paths) There are no restrictions on taking only one of X type of trait, if you qualify you can take it. So you could take three different campaign traits as long as one is a WotR Trait.)
6) 1 Downfall, You may all be mythic heroes but that does not mean you don't have your Achilles tendon.
6) 3PP allowed on case by case basis, I like some classes like warlord
7) NO evil alignments. You are all champions of the light as such I reserve the right to kill any PC that does any evil acts to the other players.
8) There is no true neutral. All must care about something.
9) Positive Energy is Good
10) Negative Energy is Evil
11) Everything uses max HP
12)

T's Eberron conversion

____________________
This is simply enough the ooc discussion board for the campaign. Please use this for character creation Above you can read the house rules - I just copied mine from the other thread.

I would be willing to do a true 25 point buy for you guys if you want, but then know that all npcs will gain 10 points, as all AP npcs are designed with 15 point buy as defaults. In my tales they already get a 5 point stat boost to balance with the players.

One of my tables opted for the 20 point buy and the other opted for the 25 point buy, so I got my notes already typed out either way though book 3. As since I use a variable party size I have variable encounter size listing of everything.. Basically I had to type out the AP myself and change it to work better for those other two tables.

Whohooo! I´m totally fine with 20 point buy.
More get´s ridiculous very fast i think and after all this is going to get mystic here too right?

Edit: That said i just saw that 1:1 thing. On that curve i would be 23 points right now. With 20 i would lower STR by 1 and WIS by 2. With 25 i would add 2 STR.

I am fine with either the 20 point buy or the system you posted above. With Niesen, a rearranged scores on your 1:1 system into something that approixmated the array I felt he needed, and ended up with a 12-point buy. With this guy, he's a 17 point buy.

May I ask, does this campaign involve a lot of indoor/dungeon adventuring, or more open outdoors like Kingmaker? If the former, Niesen would be much more enjoyable to play, the latter Kompden here.

it will still be a 1:1 point buy system, just if its 20 or 25 points is up to you guys.

I guess you could look at it like either you have 14 or 19 points to split up after bringing all stats to 10.

yes it will get mythic at the end of the first book. So plan accordingly if you wish.

Book one takes place in/above/below a city.
Book two takes place in the wilderness/a city. if you survive to this point you will have an army.
Book three takes place a city/wilderness/dungeons
Books 4-6 You do go to the Abyss at some point.. after all you cant expect a demon lord to come to You, can you :)

This just my last post from the other thread

I've decided to just rebuild from the ground up.

Here's the Crunch for my new character

No backstory yet, but I'll have one as well as a new alias for Tanith by Wed. morning.

More than interested, will be reworking my cavalier according to the rules here rather soon. Of course, as all players, I would love to work with 25 points, but even 20 seems doable.

Btw - how is it 14 or 19 after we raise all to 10, isn't it 8 or 13? (20, or 25 total, minus 6 abilities x 2 each =12; so 20, or 25 minus 12?)

So I guess Kompden would have plenty of opportunities to bring Erna, his roc, into battle. She starts as a medium-sized roc, so she'll fit in dungeons, etc. She might have to make a few flying checks to navigate really tight quarters, but that's okay.

Indeed, though tbh the first two parts literally calls for all mounts/familiars/animal companions to be out of the picture. So Erna while not being able to help you out in the beginning, will more then be able to help after that.

The other option is that you bring her with and she dies before he first player posts even happen and I don't want do that.

My math sucked I only -6, not -12. So yeah 8 and 13.

JustJacqui 's character was Ghorga who got into the first group.

Just realized no one had noticed that fact.

Got it - Thanks. Fomiel should be showing up at some point in here.

Indeed, though tbh the first two parts literally calls for all mounts/familiars/animal companions to be out of the picture. So Erna while not being able to help you out in the beginning, will more then be able to help after that.

The other option is that you bring her with and she dies before he first player posts even happen and I don't want do that.

My math sucked I only -6, not -12. So yeah 8 and 13.

The first two parts as in the first two of the six modules, or the first two chapters if the first module? The latter is not a big deal, but the former is about 18 months of a PbP game.

its just the first couple chapters.. which take place over maybe a day or two at most relative time. You will be within a mile of the familiar/companions/etc just unable to reach them physically.

So were looking at roughly 3 years or 36 months of daily posts on average to finish the adventure path?

You guys up for it?

Thanks for the clarification. So guys finally - 20 or 25 points? I am (re)working on Kaladok, and I need to know what will his abilities be, so I can determine the rest?

Btw. of course, I am "voting" for 25 points, should the GM allow it.

you can always just build him for 20 now.. and then add the 5 points in if the others agree. :)

Yes...and no. Adding (or subtracting) 5 points can mean a lot in terms of feats I choose, whether I qualify for them or not. you know the typical prerequisites (Dex 13, Int 13 etc...).

So a guys with 20 point build can end-up being much different than the one with 25 point build. Especially having in mind that traits are often taken either to "plug in the holes/shore the weak spots" or to sinergize with existing skill/feat/ability.

I don't really care if you min max or not.. You could pump all 20/5 points into a single stat and have a 28/32 in a single stat, but the rest will be at -1/8. I wouldn't recommend it, such a highly focused person would be good at only a couple of things and suck at everything else, not to mention may be kinda boring to play.

Just know your going up against the minions of a demon lord who has actively been invading your world for about 110 years. so he may well have champions that min/max.

This AP as written is the most challenging that I have read. So be forewarned that it will be tough, that is part of why I am giving what may be termed advantages. I really cant see a 15point PF build surviving chapter 2, let alone the battle where you become mythic. Ive had two drop in that fight so far. and that was at 25 point builds. :D

Like I said its not going to be a walk in the park. combat will be harsh.

I am working on the assumption that all of you know the premise for this adventure path?

Here's my alias for my new character. Background is in profile.

Looks good

So it looks like only three of you have found the way here.

So far we have 4/7 here and working on their characters or done.

Im going give the others that havnt made it in here yet a last chance to post in here before I bring in 3 more and don't want to get confused.

Just FYI - I am working (quite hard) on my character - Dolok Kadarn, human cavalier (mix of 2 archetypes). Should be done in another 24 hours.

Sounds good, I was counting you as in. Im trusting that cuz the four of you are posting in this thread, your game to play :)

I just posted on the thread where you guys found me and set a PM to those three that havnt shown up here.

I'm in, if you'll have me.

Yup, do you need to do any changes to your sheet?

Yeah. I need another Trait and a Downfall. Is that in Ultimate Campaign?

Traits and its actually Drawbacks, not downfalls sorry I think they were called in 3x and I got used to. That link has a compilation of everything from all the various books.

I'm in--thanks for taking us orphans!!!

Will revise stats--Fomiel with push cha and str.

Did we settle on 20 or 25 points?

Barring any changes to stats, here is Tessara. I added the trait "Forlorn" to represent her exile from Kyonin and the Drawback "Oppressive Expectations" to show her eidolon's increasingly zealous drive to destroy evil.

Did I miss anything?

Edit: I did miss something. We're doing stats differently. I'll have to make some changes. My vote is for a 25 point buy.

It looks like I haven't weighed in on point buy yet. I created Tanith here for the 20 pt buy. I'll be happy to run him, I think he'll be useful and fun to play, I've run characters that were very like him in many different game systems for more than 20 years. I can make him work.

Hienrich my submission to the original thread works out to be a 28pt buy under the guidelines were using now. I couldn't make him work at 20pts to my satisfaction so I started over. I could make him work at 25pts and be happy. Heinrich was/is my first real attempt at an archer in any system. I was looking forward to seeing how things work out with him.

I'm happy either way, I think if my vote was needed as a tiebreaker I would vote for 25 pts, but please only consider it for tie breaking purposes.

Fomiel is changing his name to Tamaell.

I will mod when we have settled on point buy.

Looking through looks like four have said 25. so looks like were going that way.

Let me know if I get anything wrong..

1 Tamaell (m)the Tiefling sorcerer who is a Riftwarden Orphan that Worships Cayden Cailean and the Trickster.

2 Tanith (m)the Varisian Fighter who is a Child of the Crusades that Worships Abadar.

3 Tessara (f)the Elven Summoner who has been Touched by Divinity who worships Iomedae.

4 Mihajlo ()the () Cavilier who ;Needs to change a trait to give himself a WotR Campaign trait from Chance Encounter, Child of the Crusade, Exposed to awfulness, Riftwarden Orphan, Stolen Fury, Touched by Divinity; that worships Which diety?

5 Leto (m)the Halfling Cavilier who ;Needs to choose a trait to give himself a WotR Campaign trait from Chance Encounter, Child of the Crusade, Exposed to awfulness, Riftwarden Orphan, Stolen Fury, Touched by Divinity; who follows Which diety?

6 Kompden (m) the gnome Sorcerer who has been touched by Divniity and follows Which Diety?

7 -Who is player 7.. ive invited 8 people in to this discussion thread. Im going to take the next person that is waiting in about an hour or so if they don't respond..

ALSO I do NOT want the standard stat spam under your race/class just literally what it is. during gameplay I don't want to know more then that without having to look at your sheets.

There we are. I dropped my Con by 2 and my Cha by 1 to match the 25 points. I should be all set.

I would suggest some extra bowstrings.. they are vary cheep and useful. Especially considering your bow is not MW so if you roll a 1 you have 50% chance of dropping it.

Whetstones are nice.

Blow all you starting coin. You can buy/make magic at this point if you can afford it to represent something you acquired in your pre-campaign days.

Where can I find bowstrings?

In your case, because it is a composite bow, the strings are actually some weird dwarven fiber that's as flexable as twine strings but stronger by far. they cost 2 links each or 12 for a pair of crowns.

___
Im having issues finding them in PF or 3.x rules. I cant believe in a dozen or so years ive never had a bow string snap. happens all the time in 2e. So im just working with the same prices we use there.
1 bit for Normal Strings
5 bits for +1 Composite or xbow strings
1 link for +2 composite or xbow strings
2 links for +3 composite or xbow strings
5 links for +4 Composite or xbow strings
1 crown for +5 Composite or xbow strings

With being able to buy 12 for the price of 10.

With a 25 pt build I was going to run Heinrich instead of Tanith, but I realized that their are no clerics in the party. So I added the 5 extra points to Tanith's Wisdom and will update his sheet so that he's a cleric of Ragatheil.

Follower of Chaldira, chose Stolen Fury.

Klokk in Pathfinder there are no extra bowstrings.
I would bring extra bows, because if, the bow get´s sundered.

well, ok. There is an option available then.. you can by strings at my price above or you can carry spare bows themselves. I can tell you I don't really like to sunder against low-level characters

Are you adding rules for bowstrings breaking?

Finally done, I hope it is not too late. Hope all is there, please let me know if there's something that needs fixing.

Unless you would rather have the bow itself have a chance of breaking if something sunders it.. bowstrings are a lot cheeper and id much rather cut your string then bow in half :)

Just trying to add a little bit that wont be so harsh.. Theres a few things towards the last half the first book that like to sunder things that other people are using to hurt them with. :) One party lost all their ranged weapons in that fight. guns/bows.. I destroyed 3 of each :)

I'll give you the choice. one of wrath tables uses bowstrings, one does not.

I'll pick up some bowstrings. It makes more sense than extra bows.

Kompden follows Desna, who inspired him to travel and explore, and whose agent led him to Erna, his pet roc.

Tamaell plans as a middle-aged pitborn
21CHA, 18STR, 8DEX, 10WIS, 10INT, 10CON

Plan to be a charismatic, clumsy brute.

So, a list of who and what we have here:

Kompden Rizzlewind: gnome sylvan sorcerer with roc animal companion (dipping synthesist)
Tamaell: pitborn tiefling abyssal sorcerer (summoning and melee)
Tessara Bereleniel: elf synthesist summoner
Dolok Kadarn: human cavalier (order of the shield) (sword and board melee)
Leto V. Derexhi: halfling cavalier (order of the paw)
Tanith Petrovitch: human cleric (Ragathiel) melee

We have a lot of arcane support and summoning power (as a sorcerer Kompden will always be keeping the highest level summon monster spell learned, swapping it out for the next highest level every even level when he gets a new spell level). We have the divine covered for healing and status removal, and we have 2.5 (Tessara does double duty) melee brutes to keep the bad guys away from the squishy people.

With all the mounts and summons, not to mention a big party, these battlefields are really going to get crowded. Fortunately, that style of combat play really works well in PbP, as opposed to face-to-face where combat gets bogged down. Combat always gets bogged down in PbP, so it makes little difference what style we choose.

Looks like we could use a bit of ranged capabilities...

Face to face this would be a nightmare probably, only doable with a superhigh degree of discipline and organisation.
The cavalier mounts are easier to handle as the companions though, since they are normally ridden and don´t do much besides that.
With so many summoners, perhaps one would like to do something else?
When the mouns don´t fight and without summons, only with companions it´s a party of 8 already, with summons 9 and with mounts 11. That´s crazy.

Also Kompden:

Upon reaching 4th level, and at every even-numbered sorcerer level after that (6th, 8th, and so on), a sorcerer can choose to learn a new spell in place of one she already knows. In effect, the sorcerer loses the old spell in exchange for the new one. The new spell's level must be the same as that of the spell being exchanged. A sorcerer may swap only a single spell at any given level, and must choose whether or not to swap the spell at the same time that she gains new spells known for the level..

Also Kompden:

PRD Sorcerer Spells wrote:

Upon reaching 4th level, and at every even-numbered sorcerer level after that (6th, 8th, and so on), a sorcerer can choose to learn a new spell in place of one she already knows. In effect, the sorcerer loses the old spell in exchange for the new one. The new spell's level must be the same as that of the spell being exchanged. A sorcerer may swap only a single spell at any given level, and must choose whether or not to swap the spell at the same time that she gains new spells known for the level..

Am I mis-reading something here? He'll be taking summon monster 1 at 2nd sorcerer level as normal, then at 4th level, he'll take summon monster 2 as his second level spell and exchange summon monster 1 for some other first level spell. Then repeat at 6th, 8th, etc.