Greenmarch Kingmaker Campaign (Inactive)

Game Master Harad Navar

I haven't sent an updated copy yet as far as I can remember. I'll get taht done some time in the not too distant future.

Where do you want to build the brewery?

I'm not picky. How about somewhere in the middle block of the top row? C1-2 or D1-2.

I figured I would move this to the Discussion page rather than game play.

"If you make the check, reduce your kingdom’s Unrest by 1 (if your Unrest is at 0, gain 1 BP as a result of surplus goods and services). If you fail this check by 5 or more, increase Unrest by 2."

If you fail the check Unrest remains unchanged. If you fail by 5 or more it increases by 2. Only if you make a successful roll with Unrest at 0 does the Kingdom Treasury increase by 1.

I wonder if there is any clarification in the Kingdom building thread (no time to look right now) but I read that phrase differently. I read the parenthetical as separate from the preceeding statement. In other words, I read "if your unrest is at 0..." as not conditional on "if you make the check..."

In my defense (sorry - lawyering again) the phrase does say the BP gain happens if your unrest "is at 0..." (emphasis added). It does not say "if this your unrest becomes 0...", which would imply that the next statement only happens if the 0 unrest happens because of the roll.

Anyway - I am fine with it being a GM discretion call. Just so long as it's settled and we can move forward.

I'm not picky. How about somewhere in the middle block of the top row? C1-2 or D1-2.

On second thought, a brewery is going to have a certain amount of odor associated with it. Perhaps we should put it farther from the housing. How about E2 or F2?

I figured I would move this to the Discussion page rather than game play.

harad Navar wrote:

"If you make the check, reduce your kingdom’s Unrest by 1 (if your Unrest is at 0, gain 1 BP as a result of surplus goods and services). If you fail this check by 5 or more, increase Unrest by 2."

If you fail the check Unrest remains unchanged. If you fail by 5 or more it increases by 2. Only if you make a successful roll with Unrest at 0 does the Kingdom Treasury increase by 1.

I wonder if there is any clarification in the Kingdom building thread (no time to look right now) but I read that phrase differently. I read the parenthetical as separate from the preceeding statement. In other words, I read "if your unrest is at 0..." as not conditional on "if you make the check..."

In my defense (sorry - lawyering again) the phrase does say the BP gain happens if your unrest "is at 0..." (emphasis added). It does not say "if this your unrest becomes 0...", which would imply that the next statement only happens if the 0 unrest happens because of the roll.

Anyway - I am fine with it being a GM discretion call. Just so long as it's settled and we can move forward.

As GM I rule that since Unrest can never be below 0, the addition of 1 BP to the Treasury occurs when a successful check roll would attempt to drop the Unrest below zero. If the check roll fails by less than 5 the Kingdom Unrest does not change (I looked to see if a failure should increase Unrest by 1, but didn't see anything about that. Even though that would be the expected action.)

You know, this whole urban planning effort is made a lot tougher by the fact that someone decided to build a brothel right in the central block of the district.

As GM I rule that since Unrest can never be below 0, the addition of 1 BP to the Treasury occurs when a successful check roll would attempt to drop the Unrest below zero. If the check roll fails by less than 5 the Kingdom Unrest does not change (I looked to see if a failure should increase Unrest by 1, but didn't see anything about that. Even though that would be the expected action.)

(emphasis added)

Before we charge out to kill the monster, based on the decription provided by the survivor, are any of us bright enough to figure out what it is?
As for me, I can rule out the thing being a member of the local nobility, but that's the extent of my knowledge skills.

It's not a brothel. It's a Church of Calistria.

Agreed, we should talk to the miners and get a description of the creature. Mayeb we can figure out what it is and be better prepared to deal with it.

Harad Navar wrote:

As GM I rule that since Unrest can never be below 0, the addition of 1 BP to the Treasury occurs when a successful check roll would attempt to drop the Unrest below zero. If the check roll fails by less than 5 the Kingdom Unrest does not change (I looked to see if a failure should increase Unrest by 1, but didn't see anything about that. Even though that would be the expected action.)

(emphasis added)

Can we negotiate that to getting the build point when a successful stability check would result in unrest of zero (rather than below)? In other words, if the unrest is at 1, and we make the check, it goes to zero and we get a point.

I think that the rule should stand that if Unrest is already 0 then a successful stability check should reap a reward. If Unrest was greater than 0 then the reward is reducing Unrest by 1. If unrest is 0 then the reward is 1 BP. Since Unrest can be dropped by some other action than a stability check, I am not inclined to award a BP just for getting Unrest to 0 with or without a stability check.

Likewise a failed check should result in some penalty. This is one of the core principles of rolling to determine success/failure. I think that failing the stability check should raise Unrest by 1. Failing the stability check by 5 or more Unrest is raised by 2.

Agreed, we should talk to the miners and get a description of the creature. Mayeb we can figure out what it is and be better prepared to deal with it.

The survivor of the monster attack was a city guard. Treasurer Peter Langham had convinced Marshal Keston Garess that he should send some guards to check out the mine before the miners arrived. There are no other armed servants of the kingdom (other than the party) to do such tasks and the miners might need some initial protection before they got themselves settled. High Priest Jhod healed the guard and you may question him before you head for the mine. The guard rolled exactly enough to tell you that he thought the monster is called a chimera but knows nothing else about the creature. The head that looked like a dragon had a chilling breath that killed his three companions and their horses. He was badly damaged and would have been killed himself except for his horse which was able to move him out of danger while the monster eat his fellows.

You know, this whole urban planning effort is made a lot tougher by the fact that someone decided to build a brothel right in the central block of the district.

In that case put the brewery next to the "Church of Calistria".

OK - so we know (or suspect) it is a Chimera.
We know it has more than one head.
We know it has a breath weapon.
Anyone have the appropriate knowledge skill (which I think would be arcana)?

I have a 7 in Arcana.

I have 6, but I can buff him as well as assist to get his bonus up pretty good. Add in Ettore's guidance that should add 5 to his check.

We know if breathes frost, so it wouldn't hurt to have a resist energy on a couple of us if not actually craft a couple of scrolls. If 3 of us had it I would feel pretty good trying to take it on.

test 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (11) + 12 = 23

For real
1d20 + 12 ⇒ (12) + 12 = 24

We have over 5000gp in the party treasury btw. Here is a few things I propose we order from Restov:
2 scrolls of haste 750gp
1 scroll of breath of life 1125gp
1 wand of cure light wounds 750gp
=2625gp

Have Ettore craft the following scrolls:
Resist Energy x2 150gp
Invisibility Purge 187.5
Remove Curse 187.5
Remove Disease 187.5
Align Weapon x2 150
Remove Paralysis 75
Restoration Lesser x2 150
Silence 75
=1087.5gp
11 days of crafting

Total spend=3712.5gp

For real

1d20 + 12 = 24

That will get a CR 14 creature and one piece of infomration abou it, or

That ought to be enough to find out if the Chimera has any other special abilities we ought to know about.

We have over 5000gp in the party treasury btw. Here is a few things I propose we order from Restov: (a bunch of stuff)

Osvaldt has no objection to that. Healing and condition removal are a good thing to have extra scrolls and wands handy.

The only one I wonder about is Align Weapon. Have we run into anything with DR/alignment to this point?

Eirwulf wrote:

For real

1d20 + 12 = 24

That will get a CR 14 creature and one piece of infomration abou it, or

Up to a CR 9 with two pieces of information or
Up to a CR 4 with three pieces of inforamtion.

That ought to be enough to find out if the Chimera has any other special abilities we ought to know about.

What do you want to know, Offense, Defense, or Special ability? I'm in Lexington, KY for the night.

You get 2 pieces of information.

Special ability and defense?

For a special ability you already have heard about the breath weapon. However, a chimera can breath this weapon from any of its three heads. As a defense the chimera is especially adapt at hiding in scrubland or brush.

Ettore will craft the requested scrolls:
Resist Energy x2 150gp
Invisibility Purge 187.5
Remove Curse 187.5
Remove Disease 187.5
Align Weapon x2 150
Remove Paralysis 75
Restoration Lesser x2 150
Silence 75
=1087.5gp 11 days of crafting

also the Cloak of Resistance +1 requested by Osvaldt
and a Cloak of Resistance +2 for myself.
- that is another 6 days crafting,
and 2000gp from Osvaldt
(plus pay somebody to cast 'caster's fortune' since it is not cleric)

and craft a belt of str +2 for myself if there is time -
(get str up to 10 just so I can carry my stuff)
so 21 days crafting all that assuming no failures.

Ettore will craft the requested scrolls:

Resist Energy x2 150gp
Invisibility Purge 187.5
Remove Curse 187.5
Remove Disease 187.5
Align Weapon x2 150
Remove Paralysis 75
Restoration Lesser x2 150
Silence 75
=1087.5gp 11 days of crafting

also the Cloak of Resistance +1 requested by Osvaldt
and a Cloak of Resistance +2 for myself.
- that is another 6 days crafting,
and 2000gp from Osvaldt
(plus pay somebody to cast 'caster's fortune' since it is not cleric)

Why do you say a resistance item is not Cleric? You have the feat and the spell, magic items usually are not class or spell type specific, you just have to have the spell on your list which you do, Resistance, it's a zero level spell.

ettore wrote:

Ettore will craft the requested scrolls:

Resist Energy x2 150gp
Invisibility Purge 187.5
Remove Curse 187.5
Remove Disease 187.5
Align Weapon x2 150
Remove Paralysis 75
Restoration Lesser x2 150
Silence 75
=1087.5gp 11 days of crafting

also the Cloak of Resistance +1 requested by Osvaldt
and a Cloak of Resistance +2 for myself.
- that is another 6 days crafting,
and 2000gp from Osvaldt
(plus pay somebody to cast 'caster's fortune' since it is not cleric)

Why do you say a resistance item is not Cleric? You have the feat and the spell, magic items usually are not class or spell type specific, you just have to have the spell on your list which you do, Resistance, it's a zero level spell.

Now the +2 cloak is a different story, it is +5 DC due to the fact that you don't meet the level requirement so depending on your check, you might need it cast.

I said "caster's fortune" is not cleric. Might need it to succeed.

I said "caster's fortune" is not cleric. Might need it to succeed.

Sorry I meant "_Crafter's_ Fortune" - not caster's.

If you can get the scrolls I can cast them.

Where do you want to build the brewery?

Brewery to E2.

Miss!

Goals for Ardous 4709:
I think we might want to pause and build our resources toward a larger build. We have a sellable magic item in inventory. If we can move that and make our economy roll, we could be in decent shape.

I suggest going ahead and building a road in hex C4, leading to the mine. We'll want it eventually.

The question is, what are we saving up to build? The next three items on Oz's wish list are:
Town Hall
Jail
Mine

I would say town hall first.

You may also want to claim a hex this turn. I suggest B3 to lay claim to the future Forest Reserve.

Suggest we claim and build a farm to get to 0 consumption this turn. We need to look at what get's us more bang for the buck. Need to keep pushing the economy higher as quickly as possible.

Jail and Mine seem like good choices for near future builds.

I figured I would do this in discussion, but here is what I have for our curent consumption figures:

Size 5
Cities 1
Edicts 2
Armies 0
Farms -6
Resources -1
Total 1

The consuption of 1 already includes edicts. no need to add it in again.

You are correct, I over corrected. Consumption is 1 BP for Turn 4.

OK - how about this for this month's plan:
Claim A6. Build road and farm in A6
The growth combined with the Farm will put our consumption at 0, which is a good place to be.

With the treasury up to 27, we can afford to build the gold mine next month. We can also bild a city improvement. The Jail might be a good one.

A note on the chimera encounter treasure:
The potion of resist energy doesn't need an energy type. The person imbibing the potion decides the energy type when the potion is consumed.

I thought I wrote the xp down for the Chimera. Did the Chimera have any treasure?

I thought I wrote the xp down for the Chimera. Did the Chimera have any treasure?

Raz listed it in the gameplay thread.

So it's Jail and Mine this turn?

So it's Jail and Mine this turn?

That's the way I was leaning.

I would recommend we don't expand this turn, our loyalty needs some work, maybe next turn after we have the jail?

I would rather we build a house to try and get this district completed ASAP.

I would rather we build a house to try and get this district completed ASAP.

I agree in principal with the goal of filling in the district, but there are 24 open blocks before building the jail. It's not a reachable goal for this year.

what says the roman senate?
votes for claiming a hex or not?
It would increase our consumption and control DC, and would not provide an immediate benefit.
However, it gets us one step closer to the next size threshold, which means XP and the ability to build more than one thing at a time.

Hex. We can always beat the peasents. My Lord. As lord(s) of the place to do we get a stipend or something? Not sure if I have enough money to last a year. My Lord.