Ary Bishop |
Traffic is gonna be Really Congested on the way back to Torag's... what with the Rockslide and all...
Li'an Va'ardalia |
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Alas, the return trip is off to a rocky start then!
Markus Coffinborn |
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Ary, quit taunting Ehren, Markus has his scroll. The two of you sort it out or I'm turning this car around and taking us back to Torag's. No Kenabres for anyone! And I'd better not hear any "But you promised us a fifth crusade!"'s out of any of you! ;p
hahahahahahahahahaha
this is funny
yes
very funny
Ehren Ferron |
Casting guidance on Valaria.
Ary Bishop |
I'll be on a lowly kindle for most of the day today while at work, so won't be able to move my piece.
Should it still be available once my turn comes around:
Hrut Ingvarson |
Holy crap this site went down, ate 3 of my posts! I am so aggravated!
Ary Bishop |
Don't forget that since you go before the creature, it's flat footed, Li'an. So you should get a sneak attack. :)
Li'an Va'ardalia |
ooh, yeah! I totally forgot that!
Ary Bishop |
Also... along the veins of 'please don't hyperspecialize'...
Tier 1: Perfect Aid, Mythic Combat Reflexes
Tier 2: Legendary Item
Tier 3: Mythic Bond, Mythic Paragon
:| Is this too specialized? That's... +8 to aid another at tier 3, with a huge bonus to my team versus my favored enemies...
Li'an Va'ardalia |
You need an ability that lets you make all skill checks untrained too!
Ary Bishop |
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There is one... but it's not in marshal. And I'm kinda mythic starved... thanks to someone's books :P
Li'an Va'ardalia |
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Also, behold the dangers of specializing in Aid Another!
So there we were, facing down the great Storm King, Khorramzadeh. We were all that was left, the only thing standing between him and domination of Golarion, and we had failed. We gave it our all to no avail. Every spell, every trick in the book. He countered them all, brushed them off like so many snowflakes.
There, in that darkest moment Ary Bishop stepped forward, Radiance glowing and held aloft. She stepped forward boldly, shining like humanity's salvation. She approached the Storm King defiantly, and he scoffed.
"What do you think you're going to do to me, little one, that your friends haven't already tried and failed?" he taunted Ary.
The great crusader of Iomedae just smiled and sheathed Radiance. Extending her hand towards the Lord of Balors, she spoke in a calm, compassionate voice, "Let me help you."
Ary rolls Aid Another... Natural 20!
The Storm King burst into tears, collapsing to his knees. He knew in his heart he'd truly been beaten, for now he understood that we were all truly in this together.
And so the Fifth Crusade ended, the demons, demoralized by the loss of the Storm King returned from whence they came, and peace reigned over the land evermore.
Cut to scene of Storm King and Ary holding hands and skipping through the streets of Kenabres towards the sunset.
Ary Bishop |
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"Needs more flowers and dragons."
Fen'wen's story receives +15: +3 from aid, +10 from perfect aid, +2 from mythic paragon....
Edited. Seems only fair to actually roll... :p
Li'an Va'ardalia |
Haha, natural 20 on your critique :p
Edit: Bah, somehow missed that that wasn't actually a d20 roll, still funny :P
Priceless!
*Goes back to add a flower fight scene and Ary gifting dragons to the villain.*
Ary Bishop |
I edited to actually roll. Only seems fair :p
Li'an Va'ardalia |
Almost got one!
GM Kiora |
Also... along the veins of 'please don't hyperspecialize'...
Tier 1: Perfect Aid, Mythic Combat Reflexes
Tier 2: Legendary Item
Tier 3: Mythic Bond, Mythic Paragon
:| Is this too specialized? That's... +8 to aid another at tier 3, with a huge bonus to my team versus my favored enemies...
Maybe. You can't aid another yourself though. ;)
Worst thing that can happen is I ask for a retrain.
Ary Bishop |
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Mmhmm. :) I'm not super worried. There's a lot that I want, so losing some portion of my stuff won't kill me.
GM Kiora |
I'm still out due to interviewing people all day cause the hiring manager is gabby as hell and made all the 1 hr interviews into 2 hr ones >_>
I'll be home in 2.5hrs. At least i got to use the company card for meals today ;D
Markus if you're online before I get home you should just take your turn.
GM Kiora |
Mmhmm. :) I'm not super worried. There's a lot that I want, so losing some portion of my stuff won't kill me.
I try not to kneejerk ban stuff. Literally the worst thing that happens is someone gets a build working TOO awesomely, trivializes a bunch of fights and is a total badass for awhile, then retrains out of whatever is breaking the system. Or comes to a gentleman's agreement. Or just nerf one ability a bit. Whatever.
I will try to scale things to meet the challenge but if it comes to the point where I need to scale stuff up that is too hard for the other 5 members of the party to fight, just for the benefit of one person's build, there is a problem.
Summoning swarms of enemies pretty much falls under this. And I'm speaking from experience - my face to face WotR group has a master summoner (naturally in the hands of the person with the most system mastery). Limiting him to one instance of summon monster at a time seems to be a good compromise so far, with the agreement that he can 'unleash' for certain big fights.
Ary Bishop |
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:p I'd have probably sighed, rolled over, and done it :p
And then resented them quietly, while muttering something to the effects of 'Preshiss'.
Above action still stands, though she'd probably keep him in the room where he's got cover, if possible, letting the others have the space out here to maneuver.
I'm off to bed :)
Ary Bishop |
Or while you wait on trap finder to decide whether to step on a trap or move super slow? :3
Ary Bishop |
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If you state that it exists, the players will either A: Figure it is important when it is not, or B: Ignore it when it is plot critical. :)
Li'an Va'ardalia |
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I had that happen once with a game I was running. There was a well in one of the rooms in a dungeon they were exploring, and after they'd finished the fight in that room the group became convinced that there must be treasure down there.
They ended up spending a good portion of the session with two of them wading around the bottom of the well in their skivvies trying to find the secret passage that wasn't there. :p
GM Kiora |
There was actually treasure in the hole (and enemies and a trap) so I didn't rush them- but they still spent an inordinate amount of time standing around debating whether to go in the hole in the first place.
To be fair, the hole was full of water, and they have almost drowned multiple times before in other game sessions (my players like to try and swim in full heavy armor for some reason)
Ary Bishop |
:o Wait, are you suggesting we return to the chasm and have Hrut (who is clearly the most sturdy) wade around in the shocker-lizard infested water to find the treasure we didn't even bother to look for? Egads...
Li'an Va'ardalia |
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In retrospect, if Hrut had used his scale, the event wouldn't have been quite as electrifying. We'll miss you CoQLC, in much the same way one might miss their crazy uncle (e.g. by leaving for vacation when you hear they're coming to visit) :p
Ary Bishop |
*Ary begins picking on Markus, forcing Li'an to turn the entire trip around.*
What now!?
Also, having thought about it, we should send Ehren into the Chasm. Not only is earth super effective against electric, it's also immune! :)
Li'an Va'ardalia |
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"Don't worry Ehren, you can talk to rocks, so you're half way there!" Ary said as she tossed the poor druid into the shocker-lizard filled pit. "Just think like one and you'll be fine!" she called as he plummeted towards the water.
Turning to Avi, Markus and Li'an, she whispered "That's how that magic stuff works right?"
GM Kiora |
I'm fine with house-ruling that DCs for spell effects cast from scrolls/wands/etc use your stats instead of the minimum possible stat needed to cast the spell if you guys are.
I don't want to use your CL though since that does weird things when non-casters use wands and also weird things to how much scrolls/wands/etc are worth.
Does anyone object? This affects enemies too, after all.
Ary Bishop |
As a person with no positive casting stats, I am very much against this! :|
Actually, Ary abstains... courteously.
GM Kiora |
I won't house rule it if even one person is against it - I don't really care either way - it mostly just makes low lvl scrolls not totally suck at higher levels, and gives Markus/Ehren an easier way to get more casts/day.
I use the advanced template a lot so saves will outpace the minimum stats required to cast spells fairly quickly. I guess you can always sell them, though.
Ehren Ferron |
Well, I wouldn't expect you to use the CL for them, as that would invalidate a lot of powerful class abilities that do just that.
But to my knowledge, there's isn't any ability that lets you use your ability scores to set DCs - don't quote me on that though.
All that being said, I think it would be a substantial buff to low-level save-or-suck spells. Maybe too powerful? I dunno. A wand of grease for example would be pretty nasty.
But seeing as all of your monsters are on steroids, maybe we'll need that edge? I'm for it. ;P
Ary Bishop |
Actually, if the monsters have steroids, isn't it a bad idea to buff their magic item usage, too? :p
Ehren Ferron |
True. Scrolls have always just felt a little... eh. Like, I can understand whipping up a scroll for a situational spell. But when you run across ones with other blasts or other one-offs, it always seems to either get scribbled in your spellbook or sold in bulk. :p
Ary Bishop |
Yeah, that's really the bigger thing to think about, here. I think the only person this really affects in a positive manner -now- is Markus. I'm not really sure how save-or-sucky our team will ever be. I know that I don't really plan to run many spells on that side of things (not that I have the choice!)
I think the DC's increasing on NPCs using scrolls against us is probably going to be a bigger negative than us using them on them. But I don't have a dog in the race on the side that gets buffed, so... abstaining! :)
Ary Bishop |
To put it another way: Bolstering the save DCs encourages NPCs to use these scrolls against us, which both reduces the amount of loot we get -and- forces us to fight against things they might not normally have at their disposal.
On the other hand, we're more likely to get scrolls we don't particularly have much use for, because they're very much suboptimal to use them. But even with the change, I don't see anyone on the team making a fireball scroll because it's still going to be insanely expensive -and- the damage is going to be poor.
So it's ultimately a question of 'quantity versus quality' and if we choose quality, we're going to be getting hit more often with cause fear scrolls and the like... no?
Li'an Va'ardalia |
Doesn't matter to me either way. Li'an will probably have scrolls/wands on hand, but most likely for utility and not for spells with DCs.
Markus Coffinborn |
Well, since I'm planning to pump my Charisma score pretty high, I'd certainly appreciate the buff. It'd make me want to use scrolls significantly more frequently, of course.
I probably won't ever be scribing them or anything. I don't mind getting hit by enemy scrolls because, well, they probably have other spells that are going to be just as devastating anyway.
By the by, Markus has got a staggering 19-point buy. I'm assuming it's Hrut and Valaria that have high point-buys?
Ehren Ferron |
Ehren's 16 points make him feel puny. :P
But if Markus is okay with the houserule, then I'm fine with it, too!
Li'an Va'ardalia |
Hey, I'm not alone down here at 15 points! Hooray! :p