So how high or low key do you think they're going to make his powers in this one?
As I recall, the power of the Iron Fist has evolved considerably over the years from "Martial arts with extra punch" to "An unstoppable force that can punch through most natural and supernatural defenses" and adds all sorts of new stuff like chi healing and the more mystical uses of chi.
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I'd like for the 'iron fist' to start as the unstoppable punch, and not get as much into the chi mysticism, at least, in the first season.
That one super-power, combined with some high-kicking martial arts action, should be more than sufficient to carry the show.
And now I have an urge to watch The Last Dragon again...
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It would be interesting if he was a mutant with the ability to throw a superhumanly powerful punch. Or inhuman, as they cannot use the word mutant.
I hope that the focus is on martial arts and really good fight choreography.
I mean story and character is king but the essence of the character is that he IS a martial artist with a mystical bent that manifests itself through FISTS OF IRON.
Anything less than that would be disappointing.
In recent years, he's been able to destroy a train with one punch. I want to see that at one point.
I actually wouldn't want to see Luke unless Danny shows up in Luke Cage. Their friendship is a key moment for them both, and I would want them to establish each character before throwing them together. Then again, Jessica is the other big relationship in Luke's life, and he was a decent player in her series. If they do something similar with Danny, I'd be okay with it.
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So I was reading the Daredevil thread, and came across the whole Iron Fist should have been portrayed by an asian-american instead of a white guy portion. I typed up a response to it, but rather than put it there, I'll just put it here instead....
I often don't weigh in on these matters. I often don't see the point, especially when everyone talks around each other, so sure in the validity of their points that, after a while, it becomes more of a case "I am right, so therefore, you are wrong. And there's nothing you can say that can convince me otherwise."
I'm a big fan of Iron Fist. Have been for some time. I can't imagine Daniel Rand as being anything other than that blond hair, blue-eyed white guy. My initial response to this whole thing was, "But wouldn't making him Asian perpetuate a stereotype?" My second response was "But that hair...."
I get it. As a black man, I understand all too well the desire for inclusiveness. How many times have I wanted to see a black Superman (I got two: Blue Marvel and Icon) or a black Wonder Woman (as far as I know there isn't one yet, but I hold out for that hope being made into reality). I've gotten to see not one, but two black Captain Americas in my lifetime. But not all characters can be all things to all people. The same people complaining about Daniel Rand being white didn't complain about Batman still being just a white guy when Ben Affleck was cast as the latest incarnation. How cool would it have been for Bruce Wayne to have been black, asian, hispanic or even female? And for all the knocking of Marvel for not being inclusive enough, DC is still light years behind them when it comes to that.
Most people don't know who Daniel Rand is, let alone Iron Fist. Sure, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon series shed some light onto the character, but face it: if Daredevil and Jessica Jones are B-list characters, then Rand is definitely C-list. So what happens when you get someone genuinely interested in the character enough to go back and find out more about him because "Finally... an asian-american character", only to find out that he never was one to begin with. How do you deal with that fallout? I'm sure Marvel thought really long and hard about this (it may have even been the reason why they hadn't really said a lot about it until now, for all we know). We, as the consumer, have to trust that they did. Because they don't want this to fail any more than we do.
That's my thought on the matter. But enough of that... what I do hope for with Iron Fist is that they bring Shang Chi in at some point and we get to see a martial arts throwdown for the ages. And I'm not just talking about against each other. The two teaming up to take on the Hand or even the Si-Fan ninjas employed by Shang's father, the insidious Dr. Fu Manchu, would be awesome to see.
How cool would it have been for Bruce Wayne to have been black, asian, hispanic or even female? And for all the knocking of Marvel for not being inclusive enough, DC is still light years behind them when it comes to that.
I for one would love to see Stan Lee's version of Batman turned into a full series.
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if Daredevil and Jessica Jones are B-list characters, then Rand is definitely C-list.
I have to disagree. If Iron Fist is a C-list character, then a pre-Netflix Jessica Jones was Z-list...at best.
Yeah...Daredevil is relatively well known. Iron Fist is obscure, but like the top layer of obscure that you might have at least heard about without reading it.
The only people who know Jessica Jones are those who read it or hang out with comic buffs and/or on TVTropes a lot.
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How cool would it have been for Bruce Wayne to have been black, asian, hispanic or even female? And for all the knocking of Marvel for not being inclusive enough, DC is still light years behind them when it comes to that.I for one would love to see Stan Lee's version of Batman turned into a full series.
I barely remember that....
Wayne Williams, right?
I think so.
And he actually had a costume that looked like a terrifying bat creature.
And he KICKED ASS.
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Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.
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I only remembered because he was a professional wrestler in the comic... and I'm a big wrestling fan. One of the reasons why I like Ben Grimm as well.
But yes... his Batsuit was indeed terrifying. The mask actually looked like a bat. One of the Kuberts did the art for it, so that helped.
But getting back to Iron Fist... I'm just glad they're following through and bringing him to Netflix. The small screen is a suitable place to showcase him. My hope is that he gets brought during Luke's series, much like they did Cage in Jessica Jones. Have the two get to know one another to start establishing their friendship. Perhaps he's running from his past in Kun L'un and it catches up to him in Rand's own series, with it somehow tying in with the character Gao from Daredevil.
However they do it, I look forward to watching Danny's adventures on Netflix.
Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.
Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white (in skin colour if not ethnicity, I'm not sure how Jewish-Americans view that, thought I better edit for clarity)
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.
They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?
I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?
Possibly, though images like this suggest he at least has a decent tan going Marc Spector Black or Jewish, either way is good I think in terms of Inclusiveness.
Possibly, though images like this suggest he at least has a decent tan going Marc Spector Black or Jewish, either way is good I think in terms of Inclusiveness.
I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?
Could be lighting, or even makeup. Part of his schtick is going undercover in his various personalities, from memory that's most likely him in the Jake Lockley persona. A more typical look for him . EDIT: After a little research... that's Earth-1610 Marc Spector, so that's actually him in the Ultimate Spiderman series. Main Continuity, which is where pretty much all of his stories are, is Earth-616. Technically different characters, or different versions of the same character at the very least.
Character-wise I don't think they've ever actually used his Jewish background in any meaningful way, it's purely backstory that he's the wayward son of a rabbi, at least while I was reading it. That's not to say it wouldn't work if they decided to run with it in a potential show, it's just never been a large part of the character in the comics that I can recall.
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So far Netflix has done pretty good with the marvel stuff, so I'm feeling pretty possitive about Iron Fist. a good fight choriographer is going to be key though
So far Netflix has done pretty good with the marvel stuff, so I'm feeling pretty possitive about Iron Fist. a good fight choriographer is going to be key though
Yeah, I'm pretty confident they'll do it right. Daredevil and Jessica Jones were both top notch, so as long as they keep it up, we're fine.
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Yeah...Daredevil is relatively well known. Iron Fist is obscure, but like the top layer of obscure that you might have at least heard about without reading it.
The only people who know Jessica Jones are those who read it or hang out with comic buffs and/or on TVTropes a lot.
Word. Sentence and paragraph, even.
The fact that Jessica Jones appeared as a live-action character, in a titular role, no less, before Carol Danvers, She-Hulk, Janet van Dyne, etc. is only slightly mollified by the fact that I live in a universe of such staggering absurdity that Howard the Duck got a movie before Spider-Man. Valkyrie? Thundra? Moondragon? Crystal? Sersi? Songbird? Diamondback? Spider-Girl/Arana? Marrina? There's like, *fifty* kickass female characters I would have chosen before Jessica Jones, most definitely including Misty Knight!
Iron Fist never seemed to catch on the way his hetero life-partner Luke Cage did, but at least he's slightly higher profile than the insane Z-list oddballs I love like Finesse, Stingray, Cecelia Reyes, Joanna Cargill/Frenzy and Texas Twister.
I am definitely hoping for some high-kicking acrobatic martial arts action out of this actor they chose. With Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, I think we are getting a grand buffet of bare-knuckle boxing action, where brute force rules the day more than agility or grace. (Even Netflix Daredevil was often more of a brute-force brawler than the more acrobatic comic book Daredevil of pre-Miller days.)
Hopefully Iron Fist will have some fluidity and dynamism and kinetic movement that the others lack, being less of a boxers kid (in the case of Fighting Mad Murdock) or a super-strong super-tough 'brick' (like Cage and Jones).
So I was reading the Daredevil thread, and came across the whole Iron Fist should have been portrayed by an asian-american instead of a white guy portion. I typed up a response to it, but rather than put it there, I'll just put it here instead....
I often don't weigh in on these matters. I often don't see the point, especially when everyone talks around each other, so sure in the validity of their points that, after a while, it becomes more of a case "I am right, so therefore, you are wrong. And there's nothing you can say that can convince me otherwise."
I'm a big fan of Iron Fist. Have been for some time. I can't imagine Daniel Rand as being anything other than that blond hair, blue-eyed white guy. My initial response to this whole thing was, "But wouldn't making him Asian perpetuate a stereotype?" My second response was "But that hair...."
I get it. As a black man, I understand all too well the desire for inclusiveness. How many times have I wanted to see a black Superman (I got two: Blue Marvel and Icon) or a black Wonder Woman (as far as I know there isn't one yet, but I hold out for that hope being made into reality). I've gotten to see not one, but two black Captain Americas in my lifetime. But not all characters can be all things to all people. The same people complaining about Daniel Rand being white didn't complain about Batman still being just a white guy when Ben Affleck was cast as the latest incarnation. How cool would it have been for Bruce Wayne to have been black, asian, hispanic or even female? And for all the knocking of Marvel for not being inclusive enough, DC is still light years behind them when it comes to that.
Most people don't know who Daniel Rand is, let alone Iron Fist. Sure, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon series shed some light onto the character, but face it: if Daredevil and Jessica Jones are B-list characters, then Rand is definitely C-list. So what happens when you get someone genuinely interested in the character enough to go back and find out more about him...
Shang chi better show up in this...
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I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
Bit off-topic - they're getting ready to kick off a new Moon Knight comic. He's going to start off in an asylum, thinking his career as Moon Knight has been his crazy delusions.
Bit off-topic - they're getting ready to kick off a new Moon Knight comic. He's going to start off in an asylum, thinking his career as Moon Knight has been his crazy delusions.I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
COOOOOOOL
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COOOOOOOLBit off-topic - they're getting ready to kick off a new Moon Knight comic. He's going to start off in an asylum, thinking his career as Moon Knight has been his crazy delusions.I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
Indeed - I was sad to see the previous run of his book end (especially when Warren Ellis had started it off so wonderfully), but I'm happy to see them picking him back up. These smaller run titles are my bread and butter now.
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Indeed - I was sad to see the previous run of his book end (especially when Warren Ellis had started it off so wonderfully), but I'm happy to see them picking him back up. These smaller run titles are my bread and butter now.COOOOOOOLBit off-topic - they're getting ready to kick off a new Moon Knight comic. He's going to start off in an asylum, thinking his career as Moon Knight has been his crazy delusions.I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
Indeed, I have noticed that too. Not sure if that's just because we're all older now or because smaller run titles retain the same talent team and have less cooks in the kitchen ruining the stew.
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Indeed, I have noticed that too. Not sure if that's just because we're all older now or because smaller run titles retain the same talent team and have less cooks in the kitchen ruining the stew.Indeed - I was sad to see the previous run of his book end (especially when Warren Ellis had started it off so wonderfully), but I'm happy to see them picking him back up. These smaller run titles are my bread and butter now.COOOOOOOLBit off-topic - they're getting ready to kick off a new Moon Knight comic. He's going to start off in an asylum, thinking his career as Moon Knight has been his crazy delusions.I was still reading during that time, that's still part of the 2006 relaunch series. Same character he always was. His god, Khonshu, which the series never firmly states is either a hallucination or an actual entity, does appear in the guise of Moon Knights original foe Raoul Bushman, who is black. If I recall correctly he's from Sudan. That could be what you're thinking of?They did a reboot back in 2009 I think it was where he was black. I have not really read much else wise. I could be mistaken and he could just be a very dark skinned Israeli.Moonknight is basically Marvel's Batman and I would love to see a series for him. He is black.Unless they've rebooted him without my noticing, Moon Knight is most definitely not black. Marc Spector is the son of a rabbi. One of his helpers is African-American, but Spector is absolutely white.
That said, I'd be really keen for a Moon Knight series, and there's been rumours about one for a while now.
Yes.
Yeah...Daredevil is relatively well known. Iron Fist is obscure, but like the top layer of obscure that you might have at least heard about without reading it.
The only people who know Jessica Jones are those who read it or hang out with comic buffs and/or on TVTropes a lot.
Word. Sentence and paragraph, even.
The fact that Jessica Jones appeared as a live-action character, in a titular role, no less, before Carol Danvers, She-Hulk, Janet van Dyne, etc. is only slightly mollified by the fact that I live in a universe of such staggering absurdity that Howard the Duck got a movie before Spider-Man. Valkyrie? Thundra? Moondragon? Crystal? Sersi? Songbird? Diamondback? Spider-Girl/Arana? Marrina? There's like, *fifty* kickass female characters I would have chosen before Jessica Jones, most definitely including Misty Knight!
Iron Fist never seemed to catch on the way his hetero life-partner Luke Cage did, but at least he's slightly higher profile than the insane Z-list oddballs I love like Finesse, Stingray, Cecelia Reyes, Joanna Cargill/Frenzy and Texas Twister.
I am definitely hoping for some high-kicking acrobatic martial arts action out of this actor they chose. With Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, I think we are getting a grand buffet of bare-knuckle boxing action, where brute force rules the day more than agility or grace. (Even Netflix Daredevil was often more of a brute-force brawler than the more acrobatic comic book Daredevil of pre-Miller days.)
Hopefully Iron Fist will have some fluidity and dynamism and kinetic movement that the others lack, being less of a boxers kid (in the case of Fighting Mad Murdock) or a super-strong super-tough 'brick' (like Cage and Jones).
Put me in the weird list of people who had heard of Jessica Jones before any of the other characters you listed.
I'm unclear as to why this rumor would start, but it would be a bad move if it somehow turned out to be true.
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I really don't want to see a punisher anything...
I really don't want to see a punisher anything...
You may want to avert your eyes from season 2 of Daredevil then. Word is this season looks to be Punisher heavy. Personally I'm stoked for it, I reckon Jon Bernthal will be an awesome Frank Castle.
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I really don't want to see a punisher anything...You may want to avert your eyes from season 2 of Daredevil then. Word is this season looks to be Punisher heavy. Personally I'm stoked for it, I reckon Jon Bernthal will be an awesome Frank Castle.
punisher heavy is a bit different from a punisher show or movie.
I am guessing no one has heard the rumor they are thinking of doing an Iron Fist movie for Netflix and replacing his series with one for the Punisher. I would rather have a series for Iron Fist over a movie, but that is one of the thoughts floating around the internet.
That rumor was dismissed by the marvel producers and claim they don't know how or why it ever started.
Which I think is for the best. You really can't set up a ruthless killer as an antagonist for an entire season... then tell everyone that he has his own series coming up.
Takes away a LOT of the mystery of the Daredevil Season. Will he die? Will he be captured? Thrown in jail? Go out with a blaze of glory??
Doesn't really matter what Daredevil does... he's getting his own show in 6 months so any resolution will be undone.
yeah... I'd pass on that.
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New trailer . Looks great I wonder if
New trailer . Looks great I wonder ifSpoiler:The girl in the shadows in trailer saying Rand doesn't belong here is the one from m Daredevil
Trailer looks pretty good. Hope they go back to the tight fight chorography from the first season of Daredvil.
As for your spoiler:
Further possible spoiler/rumor:
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I'm all but certain M. G. is that Ambrosia. If not, she is from one of the other cities.
So with the introduction of Kun Lun and the Iron Fist, can we finally admit that The Hand are allied with one of the other Cities of Heaven and the Elektra as the Black Sky is another Living Weapon (like the King of Orphans, Fat Cobra, etc).
I gotta say the more I look at Finn Jones as Danny Rand the less I'm buying him as a martial artist. I was kind of excited seeing the initial footage but now? Not so much.
I hope that when the show comes out and I'm able to see more that I'm wrong.
Shin,
I'm not sure either but it's probably because he's not wearing his trademark outfit.
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I think A-zombie, the reason Shin and I have reservations is because Finn doesn't have that kind of quality we associate with Danny Rand. At least not based on the previews. I'm not saying he COULDN'T pull it off or can't. But initial stuff, it's been a little...jarring.
Mind you I am not the world's foremost Iron Fist expert.
Thor, yes. Iron Fist not so much.
I like his acting, though he has seemed somewhat unconvincing in the action scenes. Not horribly so, but he definitely seems more like a guy who's being choreographed to look like he's fighting than an actual fighter working with the choreographers.
Unsurprising since from what I can find, he's not a trained martial artist himself. Which is disappointing, honestly, though I know the overlap of "skilled martial artist" and "good actor" is relatively rare.
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Oh yeah, I wasn't really considering what y'all thought, to be honest. I've never really been a big Iron Fist fan, to tell the truth, so I've got no dog in the fight (so to speak) about how he's portrayed on the screen.
These Netflix series have been pretty good so far, though. So I'm willing to give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
Iron Fist is one of my favorite B-List superheroes. I haven't had much of a chance to read his comics but his whole character concept and power set is interesting to me. I really like martial arts stuff, and it's exceptionally hard to find a TV show with good martial arts. Movies to a lesser extent.
Side note, I recommend Into the Badlands for anyone who wants to see some good fights. And Timothy Onmundsson as a villain, if you want to see his range.
A-zombie,
I'm used to you not thinking about what I think about. But yes Netflix has had a good run so far of MCU TV so far.