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Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

My bad. Didn't realize all that was involved.


No worries! I am usually posting without my books at hand, so I appreciate any help keeping the numbers straight. :)


I believe escaping a grapple is a Standard Action, markofbane; Eponine should have a move action left to stand up or crawl 5 feet on her turn without provoking an attack of opportunity, thanks to the sanctuary spell.


Evening Day 1 Total earned XP: 13700

How do your groups handle this?

Victor and Eponine currently occupy spaces that flank the goblin, but Eponine is fighting the other direction. My group dicided that this is not a flank since she dosen't threaten the goblin that Victor is fighting.

PRD wrote:

Flanking

When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by another enemy character or creature on its opposite border or opposite corner.

When in doubt about whether two characters flank an opponent in the middle, trace an imaginary line between the two attackers' centers. If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent's space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked.

Exception: If a flanker takes up more than 1 square, it gets the flanking bonus if any square it occupies counts for flanking.

Only a creature or character that threatens the defender can help an attacker get a flanking bonus.

Creatures with a reach of 0 feet can't flank an opponent.


My take is that the person in the middle would still be threatened, even if one of the two threatening it has other foes. In this case, if the goblin between Victor and Eponine does anything to draw an AoO, both Eponine and Victor could act on it. Even knowing that Eponine is pushing back against two other foes, is the goblin in the middle really going to ignore her and focus fully on Victor?


It's been said several times on the boards that there are no facing rules in Pathfinder. Characters are considered to threaten all squares in their reach simultaneously. Breaks with verisimilitude and makes the Stealth rules more byzantine, but it eliminates a bit of record-keeping as people don't have to state which way they're facing; they still threaten all 8 squares around them.

From the Attacks of Opportunity section of the PRD:

Quote:
Threatened Squares: You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn. Generally, that means everything in all squares adjacent to your space (including diagonally).

(italics mine)


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Hey Wren, don't forget about Ray of Frost. That's a ranged touch attack, but it's at least ranged. :)

Edit: And it's endless! Yay, for 0-level spells!


I had completely forgotten about that, JD. Those little cantrips are the reason why my low strength casters never carry a ranged weapon!


And your Evocation Intense Spells applies toward it because it is an Evocation cantrip.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Hey markofbane, Victor is actually in AA 24. I'm guessing you mean to go in AB 24? Which was his previous spot.


Javell DeLeon wrote:
Hey markofbane, Victor is actually in AA 24. I'm guessing you mean to go in AB 24? Which was his previous spot.

Thanks! I fixed the post.


Well, the good news is that if we can get out of this place alive, we have to have gotten a level out of it. Heck, as many goblins as are in this place, we might be 3rd level by now! ;)

Sophy is now officially out of cures. She can stop you from dying if you're between -1 and -Con, but apart from that, you're out of luck. So don't get critted any more! :)

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Sorry for the delay gang, Friday was a busy day for me and PAIZO was offline yesterday morning and evening when I tried to check in.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Sorry, Mythril, I've noticed I have forgotten my hp's and ac on the last few posts.

I'm working on it, though, I just keep forgetting, durnit! :P

(Once I get in the routine, I'll be good to go.)


Ech, me too. :P They're still the same as the previous times I posted them, though; the numbers haven't changed recently.


Evening Day 1 Total earned XP: 13700

NO worries gang, it just helps if the AC and the current hp are in the post also any buffs that might be affecting the character at the time. Saves me from having to look at the Sheets and opening more pages which gets confusing. Thanks for helping me out with that.

Also, this week is looking pretty hectic for papers due and such so my posting might be a bit scattered. I just finished one paper and now have to finish another that is due tomorrow also....it's 1:20AM here.

Sleep...who needs it?


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Mythril DM wrote:


Sleep...who needs it?

lol! No joke. I'm an hour earlier. Here I am doing nothing important, and I drive for a living. :P


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Eponine wrote:
That would be Marius's Eponine, but good catch!

Oops! My mistake. It's been a while since I've last seen it. Great show.

Mythril DM wrote:


In the center alcove, under the skylight is a grotesque looking statue of a figure encased in thick runny sheets of hardened glass.

That's what's in P 22.

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Sorry players, I just don't have it in me tonight to update the thread. Getting behind on classwork this week and on top of it my Kindergartner was attacked by one of her classmates at school today and we have been dealing with that.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

No biggie, Mythril. Take care of what you need to take care of buddy. We ain't going anywhere.

Sorry to hear about your kiddo. That would sure get me fired up. Hope you can get that mess worked out.


By all means, we'll be here when your ready to pick it up again.

I totally get it. My older grandson, Jacob, is three. Next year he'll be starting kindergarten and I worry because he's a good natured kid that's good with sharing and such. I'm concerned that he'll get walked over. His little brother Graham, however, won't be on the receivingend of trouble...


markofbane wrote:
My older grandson, Jacob...

There's that grognard card. Well played, sir. ;)

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Got a post up tonight, still very busy so I don't know if I will get anything up tomorrow or not. Later


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

It's a DC 15 Heal check to get the glass out. Mythril stated earlier it's equivalent to caltrops.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

I tell you what, I will not scoff at caltrops again. It's amazing what you don't realize when you never involve yourself with such items.

I can't BELIEVE how effective those stupid things are!

Who'd a thunk it? :P


You never realize how effective something is until you see it in action. Back in 2E, our mages never cast grease because it sounded kind of lame. Then I played Baldur's Gate and saw how effective it was in keeping enemies off you for a few rounds while you take them down with arrows. My mage always learned grease after that.


I'm with you, JD. I never appreciated caltrops before! I won't make that mistake again...


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Joana wrote:
You never realize how effective something is until you see it in action. Back in 2E, our mages never cast grease because it sounded kind of lame. Then I played Baldur's Gate and saw how effective it was in keeping enemies off you for a few rounds while you take them down with arrows. My mage always learned grease after that.

You know, I've seen color spray used pretty effectively in a few pbp's. I always thought that spell was just as worthless as grease. Again with the "What you don't know until you see it in action" bit. Well, you know, they do say never judge a book by its cover. :P

It's unbelievable, really, how these "worthless" spells/items are pretty dang handy.


Yeah. I'm thinking I'll need to spend a bit more time reading through the equipment and spell lists, looking for little gems like that.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Gerald wrote:
I'm with you, JD. I never appreciated caltrops before! I won't make that mistake again...

THAT ain't no joke. Me either.

markofbane wrote:
Yeah. I'm thinking I'll need to spend a bit more time reading through the equipment and spell lists, looking for little gems like that.

That's a good idea, I think I'll do that myself just to see what other "worthless" items I've overlooked.


The weird compass rose on the Glassworks map mixed me up again, in case anyone caught my post before I edited.

Mythril, I ended up rolling 1d3 since there were only 3 directions her crossbow could go as far as ten feet from where she was standing. Is that okay?


Evening Day 1 Total earned XP: 13700

The problem I have found with using caltrops (as a DM) is as soon as they are on the floor players go, "Oh caltrops I just have to go half speed and I don't have to worry." Here the AP tricked you with the glass and it took a few rounds of people getting effected to make you think about it. The upside is I think it has made for a much more interesting encounter, and some great post combat role-play as well.

Yeah, rolling 1d3 in this situation for the crossbow toss is fine. I also want to add how much I am enjoying they way you are having Sophy "cast" her spells unknowingly. I think it is making for a great story and some unusual encounter effects. Also great for the role-playing, I just loved reading the exchange between Sohpy, Victor, and Wren when I got up this morning. Keep up the great storytelling!


Mythril DM wrote:
I also want to add how much I am enjoying they way you are having Sophy "cast" her spells unknowingly. I think it is making for a great story and some unusual encounter effects.

It's certainly fun while it lasts. Eventually, she'll catch on to what she can do, like she has with the healing, but it takes a while to find the right situations to get through her spell list. Of course, as she levels up and gains new spells, the discovery gets to start all over again!


Ok, posting to get this thread to the top...


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Welp, here goes nothing...

1d10 ⇒ 2

Well that sucks. Ah well.

@Mythril: Do you want us to post the changes here as well?


Brock:
HP roll: 1d10 ⇒ 10
Feat: Weapon Focus (Earth Breaker)
Skills: Intimidate, Climb
Fort +1
Bravery +1


AC 13, HP 34/34; F+3, R+3, W+5, Per+4, Init.+2, AoO+2

*Wiz 2
*+1 BAB
*+ 1 to Will save
*+1 0 level spell per day and +1 1 level spell per day
*2 new spells:
Feather Fall
Summon Monster I
*Skills (8 points, 2 points, 4 Int, + 1 Human, + 1 Favored class)
Know Arc, Know History, Know Places, Know Nature, Perform Dance, Spellcraft, UMD, Perception
*Hit Points 1d6 ⇒ 4 plus one Con.


Character updated in profile!

Forgot to mention:
+1 BAB
+1 CMB
+1 CMD


Elven Rogue 3/Ranger (Guide) 1/Wizard (Diviner, Foresight) 1 HPs 39/39 AC 17 FF 13 T 14 CMD 17 Fort +6 Ref +9 Will +4 Init +5 Per +10 (+1 vs. traps, +2 w/familiar)

Rogue 2
BAB +1
Reflex +1
Hit points 1d8 + 0 ⇒ (1) + 0 = 1
Skill points, 11. One each in:
-Acrobatics
-Bluff
-Diplomacy
-Disable Device
-Escape Artist
-Knowledge: Arcana
-Knowledge: Planes
-Linguistics
-Perception
-Sleight of Hand
-Stealth
Rogue Abilities: Trap Spotter, Evasion.

Note: The skills points in Arcana and Planes are meant to represent the time Eponine has been spending trying to recapture the wizardry training she had decades ago but has neglected since.


Javell DeLeon wrote:

Welp, here goes nothing...

1d10

Well that sucks. Ah well.

Ha! Beat you! At sucking, that is.


Female Human Lore Oracle 5
Brock AKA "Bones" wrote:
Is it just the paranoid DM in me or did we get just get xp because there's dangerous things coming up that would have been too tough for 1st level characters? Hmmmm.....

Not to mention, 1st level characters who are all injured, out of healing, and reduced to cantrip usage. I think Eponine was at 5 HP; after level up, she has 6 HP. You sure you don't want to put your favored class bonus in HP, markofbane?

Oracle level 2
HP 1d8 ⇒ 5 + 1 favored class bonus
Will save +1
BAB +1
1 extra 1st-level spell slot per day; 1 extra cantrip known (scrivener's chant)
Skill points 7 (Diplomacy, Heal, Knowledge (dungeoneering, geography, local, nature), Use Magic Device

I'm assuming she won't gain access to her new 1st level spell slot until the next time we rest. I'm not sure of the logic with spontaneous casters.


Sophy Cassell wrote:
You sure you don't want to put your favored class bonus in HP, markofbane?

Yeah. I'm trying to be forward looking with the character and keep the skills up. A BBEG is going to down her in one shot and a mook will down her in two or one lucky; one hit point isn't likely to make the difference. Once we get to a fight, I'll have to be very tactical about it.


Evening Day 1 Total earned XP: 13700

I like the min of half for leveling up on HD, so if you rolled under the halfway mark go ahead and adjust up to that. {ex: on a d8 you get a min of 4 hp}


Mythril DM wrote:
I like the min of half for leveling up on HD, so if you rolled under the halfway mark go ahead and adjust up to that. {ex: on a d8 you get a min of 4 hp}

Thanks! I'll make the adjustment in Eponine's profile.


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

Thanks Mythril!

(Noooo! No one rolls worse than me! I'll get you next time Markofbane! And your little dog too!) :)


Nothing worse than a fighter rolling minimum hit points. Thanks for being understanding, DM. If Wren had to soak up damage for Victor, that would not be great!


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
Gerald wrote:
Nothing worse than a fighter rolling minimum hit points. Thanks for being understanding, DM. If Wren had to soak up damage for Victor, that would not be great!

A big fat +1 to that! That's the last thing our "hobbled hero" needs! ;)


Javell DeLeon wrote:

Thanks Mythril!

(Noooo! No one rolls worse than me! I'll get you next time Markofbane! And your little dog too!) :)

Javell

Spoiler:
What did Remy, our 6 lb, 9 oz, black and silver toy poodle ever do to you!?!

Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness
markofbane wrote:


Javell ** spoiler omitted **

LOL!

I knew it! All of you hero types have one! *insert evil witch laugh* :D


Male Humanly Awesome 'n Totally Rockin' Paladin of Greatness

2 skill pts.
+1 to Perception and Acrobatics

+1 BAB

Feat: Precise shot. (Yay, no more -4!)

7 hp's: +5, +1con, +1fav class

+1 to Fort save

Ready to roll.

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