Yes now that I have a full participation from all 13 Players I think the game is going as good as it has ever gone. :-)
That is two spoilered posts that failed to work, I reposted the Inquest spoiler and tested in, very f*&!ing annoying...
Sorry guys, Will post today.
Bad week, have my table top D&D game tonight. Will update the thread Saturday night.
Just one update tonight, will finish the rest of the updates tomorrow, sorry for the delay folks.
Updates tomorrow!
OK updated! :-)
Not sure of the mechanic, or that there would be PvP.
Do we need to roll initiative?
Would Auspex, maybe with Perception and Alertness help Alessandro see it coming?
Do Dex 4, Lightning Reflexes (specialty) and Catlike Balance (merit) come into play?
Assuming Alessandro is alert.
**EDIT** Not complaining, just unsure of options and mechanic.
I think from observation no clear coterie has formed although there is a smaller group of three or four who seem to be close, so although bad form its not using a discipline in Elysium and how you react to such tactics will certainly say much of you. Elders are watching... besides some of the greatest friends have started advesaries
Not sure of the mechanic, or that there would be PvP.
Do we need to roll initiative?
Would Auspex, maybe with Perception and Alertness help Alessandro see it coming?
Do Dex 4, Lightning Reflexes (specialty) and Catlike Balance (merit) come into play?
Assuming Alessandro is alert.
**EDIT** Not complaining, just unsure of options and mechanic.
Here I am not going to call Initiative as I do not think that Cantor is looking to initiate combat just push through.
I suppose there are two options:
1. Dexterity + Athletics to Dodge his push and remain interceding, or
2. Strength + Athletics to simply remain standing in place.
In option 1, the Specialty and the Merit allow you to re-roll 10's and will give you a lower DC respectively.
Alessandro is alert but likely surprised at the tactic...
I think from observation no clear coterie has formed although there is a smaller group of three or four who seem to be close, so although bad form its not using a discipline in Elysium and how you react to such tactics will certainly say much of you. Elders are watching... besides some of the greatest friends have started advesaries
Agreed, there is no clear coterie. The older players have had significant interaction with each other but were never exactly friends while mortal.
Yes Cantor's push in Elysuim is certainly a borderline move which may provoke the powers that be. Though with a Gangrel can you expect anything less? :-)
Well, comes down to the DC or target number for success.
And if 10s can produce botches, 1s that eliminate success.
I am going to update the thread tonight.
I am pretty sure he ment he would pick me up at the house but if I am wrong ignore the last post and i will go out on the streets
Will update tomorrow before my Table Top D&D game as I will be getting home a bit early.
Cool.
Posting this to all My Games. I will be away for the WE (40k team tournement)
Will post more later my wife unexpectedly had company when I got home...
Updates forthcoming tonight. I hope you are all enjoying this as much as I am, some really excellent RP in this thread.
Heh. I'm enjoying. I'm just not sure if Ranerius is winning folks over or not
We will call that nerve wracking enjoyment!
Further updates tomorrow night.
Also would the Players like a guideline for attempting to ascertain the positions of those they are speaking to? No guarantees of course but a successful roll could enable the Characters to get a sense of whether they are being bullshitted or not.
Yes please, i'm not a 100% on the rules/combination of skill/attributes to get kinda what I want to get across or not be manipulated or the like.
Updates tomorrow wife wanted to hang out tonight. Cramping my game time!
Further updates tomorrow night.
Also would the Players like a guideline for attempting to ascertain the positions of those they are speaking to? No guarantees of course but a successful roll could enable the Characters to get a sense of whether they are being b$&#+@&*ted or not.
That would be handy, thank you
Gah so excited and twisted up with the wait bursting gah gah
Gah so excited and twisted up with the wait bursting gah gah
Yep, sorry bout that, I was really looking forward to doing updates last night!
Ranerius, Finn and Gio, I will get to your posts tomorrow losing steam over here.
Friday night I will try to have those rules up as per above, want to do something a little different...
Ready for inspection
Have to update tomorrow.
Hopefully with how to know this fool be trying to lie to me and use me too?
Hopefully with how to know this fool be trying to lie to me and use me too?
Yep.
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Let me first thank Sir Dunstan and his excellent Game of Thrones campaign as the inspiration for this rules tweak. A shout out to Vitaliano who also does an excellent job as a player in that campaign.
Game of Thrones has a Social Combat system that, while not translatable directly, I used as inspiration for this campaign.
This is a proposed rules set and I am more than happy to hear feedback from Players before I implement it in full.
Roleplaying is still required to get your point across. However, I think a mechanical system could be beneficial for this scenario, a scenario quite unlike anything I have ever done in a Vampire game before.
Making My Case
To convince a “voter” to side with your Sire, you may roll the following set of Attributes and Abilities:
1. Against someone who is clearly NOT in your favor --- Manipulation+Subterfuge+Politics
2. Against someone who is NEUTRAL – Charisma+Expression+Politics
The difficulty of all rolls is that Cainites Willpower. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to win the contest. Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to make your case and can only attempt do so one time per night.
If you have Presence – Awe or Enrancement, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.
Beware, failing in using Presence in Elysium can lead to Sanctions by Thomas Brexiano.
Also beware, Cainites may try to turn this system around on you…
Amount of successes is a key factor here, you will want to score as many success as you can to ensure that a rival does not try to take that vote from you!
Certain NPC’s already believe that others are in their favor and would never change their votes. Those will be the toughest cookies to break.
Note this system cannot be used on:
Your In-Clan rivals, no amount of sweet talking or bribes will change their minds they all want this position badly.
Prince Narses, he simply will not entertain such discourse. Of course, this does not mean you cannot try to get into the ears of one of his Childer to have them speak with him…
Discerning My Quarry’s Intent
How can I tell if someone is for or against me despite what they are saying?
Make a Perception+Empathy+Politics roll.
The difficulty is 10, less that Cainites Humanity score. Those closer to the Beast are much harder to read. For every Century over 300 years that Cainite has lived, the DC will be increased by 1, topping out at 10, as these Cainites have well and truly mastered this game to have existed for so long in the first place.
Once you engage the voter, you will only have three rounds to ferret out their intent and can only attempt do so one time per night. You will need to score as many successes as they have Willpower to ascertain their intent.
If you have Auspex – Read the Soul or Invade the Mind, you may attempt to use these powers in conjunction with the above roll. Each success utilizing that Discipline gives you one more success on your total roll.
How else can I make my case?
The use of Presence, while frowned upon, is much less cause for censure than using Dominate. Dominate does not work on a Cainite whose blood is closer to Caine than your own. If you seek to use Dominate to convince a voter (or perhaps one of the Childer?) to vote for your Sire, it would be best used elsewhere in the city.
Boons – the boon system of quid pro quo can also be used to gain votes. You will need to offer something of course that that voter does not have or cannot get from another candidate.
Eliminate my rivals. This one is obvious though failure to do so without detection may subject YOU to the Final Death!
Err..I have been mentioned, danke. I did not expect such mentioning and the like.
Hmm...As far as my own thoughts I believe it would depend not really on their thoughts of you but how you go about it to deliver the dice roll upon their heads.
Looking to bad mouth the opponent to try and get your point across. Obviously Manipulation.
Looking to pour on the charm and sweet talk the opponent again, manipulation.
Just elegantly putting your point out there and trying to use your own personal confidence, charisma would be your bet.
Then again, I'm not sure about the whole Favor bit as I assume as recently brought in children of the night we are likely to be in the Clearly not side of the spectrum 90% of the time. Plus that does give you a hint as to the disposition of your opponent...
Now as for discerning, that one does make sense to me. Though I don't think I have any points in Politics. I shall have to fix that at some point.
So, we're forced/required to engage in this manner... Because, it is assumed NPC rivals are doing so.
Basically, you lose what you don't attempt to garner.
So, we're forced/required to engage in this manner... Because, it is assumed NPC rivals are doing so.
Basically, you lose what you don't attempt to garner.
No, if you do not avail yourself of the system to convince them that your Sire is best qualified, I will not have the NPC's avail themselves of the system. I just wanted to give people an option from a crunch standpoint to approach the task at hand.
However, you will want to use the Discernment system to know whether your "targets" are with you or against you though.
I have a huge spreadsheet with who supports who right out of the gate and who is essentially neutral. The neutrals are the best targets as they are more easily swayed to your Sires side. Many of these Cainites have history with one another while others don't know each other from a hole in the wall.
Any other thoughts on the Social Combat system before I fully implement it?
Ok. The system may take getting used to but I'm good with it.
I'm afraid I won't be able to post tonight or tomorrow. Travel across state to family is underway. Obviously Christmas Eve and Christmas are kind of iffy too for obvious reasons. Many apologies
Ok. The system may take getting used to but I'm good with it.
I'm afraid I won't be able to post tonight or tomorrow. Travel across state to family is underway. Obviously Christmas Eve and Christmas are kind of iffy too for obvious reasons. Many apologies
No worries, posting will be slow the next few weeks. The first five days of January I will be away so posting will be spotty at best.
Happy holidays to all !!!
(before logging off I will be completely off line from the 24th until the 4th)
Happy holidays to all !!!
(before logging off I will be completely off line from the 24th until the 4th)
Enjoy the time off!
Trying to get through the wall of text with my phone, and I lose my self lol
Shall try to post something when I get to a proper PC, but for now still on vacations just saying hi and that I'm still here.
Trying to get through the wall of text with my phone, and I lose my self lol
Shall try to post something when I get to a proper PC, but for now still on vacations just saying hi and that I'm still here.
No worries, I think until the new year posting will be slow on the boards in general with the real slow down to begin tomorrow.
I'm back. I hope those celebrating Christmas had a good time with theirs.
I am waiting on Xing....even if she just casts me a glance...
storyteller
The Book of Nod will be coming up shortly...
After the new year i will be shifting the scene forward so I would start to wrap up the current scenes Fledglings :-)
But there's so many people my Toreador hasn't charmed yet!
;)
I will be away from January 1 to January 6 and unlikely to post during that time.
Don't worry Ranerius, there are 6 more nights for you to charm the fangs out of the remaining Cainites :-)
You will have one more round after that Ranerius to get a read of Lady Meridie.
I need to do some extra work on the NPC's of the thread to handle the new mechanics. I will be getting to that next week when I am back from vacation. I also need to update the NPC list as it has been a while.