DM Fflash's Shackled City Campaign

Game Master DM Fflash

DM Fflash wrote:

Thanks Magma.

On another note, the only prestige suggestions I got were from Epik, although I believe Magma, Nemoris and Dalamus have easy cases for prestige of their own. Depending on what he does, Nowzai may have a case as well.

Working on that. the only question i have is how many different factions can you earn prestige with.

i forgot to write down how much i earn the last time.

Church of Torag

Before we left the Cauldron
2 prestige points for crafting Epik Longsword and my Dwarven long hammer
2 protecting the community from a major threat (hulk)
1 for defeating the darklands create (Hulk)
(5) church of Torag points
after leaving the Cauldron
2 protecting the community for dragon at jared hut (possible?)
1 defeating the Hydra
2 discovering the KT temple
2 destroying the KT Temple
1 defeating the Priest of the KT
(8) church of Torag points
here is what i believe i have earned in the Church of Torag

Let me know if i am right of worong

Sama'el Val'varen wrote:

I have several questions that still need to be answered.

Quote:

I can't find anything that is a Pro Evil item. Thoughts on a 3 or 5 a day item or something like that?

The gold knight's pennon casts prot evil 1/day and it costs 2,200 gp. Use that as your baseline.

Ok so I legitimately can not figure out how they got to a price of 2200 on that

My math is - 1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 (slotless) /5 and I get 720

Even at - 1 x 1 x 2000 x 2 /5 I get 800

Unless they used a caster level of 6 and didn't have it be a slotless, then it would be 1x6x1800 /5 = 2160

I dunno, just confused.

Thanks Magma.

On another note, the only prestige suggestions I got were from Epik, although I believe Magma, Nemoris and Dalamus have easy cases for prestige of their own. Depending on what he does, Nowzai may have a case as well.

I may have missed a post on this...What is this all about? Prestige suggestions?

DM Fflash wrote:

Thanks Magma.

On another note, the only prestige suggestions I got were from Epik, although I believe Magma, Nemoris and Dalamus have easy cases for prestige of their own. Depending on what he does, Nowzai may have a case as well.

I may have missed a post on this...What is this all about? Prestige suggestions?

Once we switched to the all level up at the same time there was a suggested option that instead of getting bonus XP for doing cool stuff maybe we could get bonus Prestige

So just look at any Prestige group you are with and see what falls under their 'How To Earn Prestige' and tell Tike what you did along those line.

Magma, Nemoris, how do you want to resolve the +1 mithral full plate and the belt of mighty strength? I willing to give up my bid on both items. I recommend that Magma take the belt and that Nemoris take the armor.

Magma, can you fabricate a +1 enchantment on top of Epik's current masterwork full plate?

Sam, can you fabricate a belt of Giant Strength +2 and a headband of alluring charisma (4000 gp each)?

Epik if you are giving up the shield to fight with a two handed weapon then the Belt should go to you because it will give you +1 to attack and damage and +8 hit points and +1 every level after that.

Gurzenon can make the armor +1 or +2

DM Fflash wrote:

Sama'el Val'varen wrote:

I have several questions that still need to be answered.

Quote:

I can't find anything that is a Pro Evil item. Thoughts on a 3 or 5 a day item or something like that?

The gold knight's pennon casts prot evil 1/day and it costs 2,200 gp. Use that as your baseline.

Ok so I legitimately can not figure out how they got to a price of 2200 on that

My math is - 1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 (slotless) /5 and I get 720

Even at - 1 x 1 x 2000 x 2 /5 I get 800

Unless they used a caster level of 6 and didn't have it be a slotless, then it would be 1x6x1800 /5 = 2160

I dunno, just confused.

The pricing tables aren't hard and fast, just a guideline. The FIRST rule is find something similar and work from there.

Magma, you had extra adamantine left over? Longsword won't make a greatsword. Need another light weapon to make up the difference.

Before we left the Cauldron
2 prestige points for crafting Epik Longsword and my Dwarven long hammer: yes
2 protecting the community from a major threat (hulk): no, not major
1 for defeating the darklands create (Hulk): yes
(5) church of Torag points
after leaving the Cauldron
2 protecting the community for dragon at jared hut (possible?): no
1 defeating the Hydra: yes
2 discovering the KT temple: yes
2 destroying the KT Temple: no, previously included
1 defeating the Priest of the KT: no, previously included
(8) church of Torag points
here is what i believe i have earned in the Church of Torag

Let me know if i am right of worong

Answers above

Magma, Nemoris, how do you want to resolve the +1 mithral full plate and the belt of mighty strength? I willing to give up my bid on both items. I recommend that Magma take the belt and that Nemoris take the armor.

Magma, can you fabricate a +1 enchantment on top of Epik's current masterwork full plate?

Sam, can you fabricate a belt of Giant Strength +2 and a headband of alluring charisma (4000 gp each)?

I can make both of those, that will take 8 days total and they will cost 2k each.

I have two items I am making for myself, one will take 10 days and the second I am still working on creating with Tike so I am not sure, but it sounds like we will have plenty of time so let me know if you for sure what these. I shouldn't even need to roll for either of these as they are both trivial and I can't fail

Magma, you had extra adamantine left over? Longsword won't make a greatsword. Need another light weapon to make up the difference.

yes i had 2 lbs of left over Adamantine from the Falchion which is 8 lbs and longsword is 6. the Greatsword is 8 lbs so i am good on the Adamantine. i was suppose to make a hand axe but i did not

Ok so here is my math on the Pro Evil item.

Basically using the math above they have a Pro Evil item set at x3 the normal cost of a similar item.

My math would put that pennon at 720 (1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 (slotless) /5) but they have it list at 2200 so in my mind they feel that something that gives Pro Evil is 3x more powerful then normal.

So if I wanted to do a Helm of Constant Pro Evil I would be looking at

1 x 1 x 2000 x 2 x 3 = 12000

If I wanted a Helm of Pro Evil with 5/day I would be looking at

1 x 1 x 1800 x 5 / 5 x 3 = 5400

If I wanted a Slotless Item with Pro Evil

1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 x 5 / 5 x 3 = 10,800 (which if this was a 1 a day would be 2160 or the 2200 above.)

How does this math look to you?

so i have 6 Torag prestige points

5 F; Purchase a magical service
1 P; consecrate
1 P; imbue with spell ability

please define imbue with a special ability? is it permanent?

DM Fflash wrote:

Magma, you had extra adamantine left over? Longsword won't make a greatsword. Need another light weapon to make up the difference.

yes i had 2 lbs of left over Adamantine from the Falchion which is 8 lbs and longsword is 6. the Greatsword is 8 lbs so i am good on the Adamantine. i was suppose to make a hand axe but i did not

Gotcha, no problem then.

Ok so here is my math on the Pro Evil item.

Basically using the math above they have a Pro Evil item set at x3 the normal cost of a similar item.

My math would put that pennon at 720 (1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 (slotless) /5) but they have it list at 2200 so in my mind they feel that something that gives Pro Evil is 3x more powerful then normal.

So if I wanted to do a Helm of Constant Pro Evil I would be looking at

1 x 1 x 2000 x 2 x 3 = 12000

If I wanted a Helm of Pro Evil with 5/day I would be looking at

1 x 1 x 1800 x 5 / 5 x 3 = 5400

If I wanted a Slotless Item with Pro Evil

1 x 1 x 1800 x 2 x 5 / 5 x 3 = 10,800 (which if this was a 1 a day would be 2160 or the 2200 above.)

How does this math look to you?

Good, but no constant. 5/day is max. Quite a jump from 5mins to 24 hours (CL 1 being the issue). If you really want a constant one, I'd have to do some more intense research. Easier for me to just say no for now assuming a constant would be above 15k

DM Fflash wrote:

Magma, you had extra adamantine left over? Longsword won't make a greatsword. Need another light weapon to make up the difference.

yes i had 2 lbs of left over Adamantine from the Falchion which is 8 lbs and longsword is 6. the Greatsword is 8 lbs so i am good on the Adamantine. i was suppose to make a hand axe but i did not

Hang on, what's your longhammer made of? If it's just steel then you don't get a prestige point for making it, although you will get 1 for the greatsword you're about to make. Adamantine is a sky metal, steel is not.

No worries, potions are only 50 gp, I will just load up on those I guess.

so i have 6 Torag prestige points

5 F; Purchase a magical service
1 P; consecrate
1 P; imbue with spell ability

please define imbue with a special ability? is it permanent?

5 based on my post above + the 2 generic ones everyone got.

Search the prd for imbue with spell ability. It's not permanent, you essentially pay someone to cast it on you.

No worries, potions are only 50 gp, I will just load up on those I guess.

I could be talked into unlimited vs continuous ala ring of invisibility where it has to be activated. That would be better for the price, I think.

Sama'el Val'varen wrote:

No worries, potions are only 50 gp, I will just load up on those I guess.

I could be talked into unlimited vs continuous ala ring of invisibility where it has to be activated. That would be better for the price, I think.

That isn't a bad idea but at the same time, I mean, hell potions for this are so damn cheap for this same effect. If I need to activate it anyway I might as well just do potions. At 6k I could buy 120 potions, granted not as easy to manage but am I going to need Pro Evil 120 times? Once or twice so far it's been a fairly nice thing to have, but I think I may just stick with potions since it's starting to look like it's going to be fairly expensive.

The 5/day for a 2700 crafting cost is a good value for me but sounds like you aren't a fan of that

Epik if you are giving up the shield to fight with a two handed weapon then the Belt should go to you because it will give you +1 to attack and damage and +8 hit points and +1 every level after that.

Gurzenon can make the armor +1 or +2

Thank you Magma, that is very gracious of you.

Do you want the Belt of Giant Strength that Sam if fabricating?

If we've got the time Sam, I'd be very interested in the same type of belt you are making, but +2 dex/str. I'll of course cover the material costs.

As far as living arangement, I'm happy to pitch in on a place, as long as I get my own room and it's not much more than 1,000 gold. I'll stay at the shabby inn until then, and start working on crafting arrows.

There's a ton of information, and I can't tell what's official. Did we determine for sure how much gold everyone is getting? What happened with the items more than one person wanted?

Tike, am I good to move forward with my original plan of leveling deepwood sniper?

If we've got the time Sam, I'd be very interested in the same type of belt you are making, but +2 dex/str. I'll of course cover the material costs.

As far as living arangement, I'm happy to pitch in on a place, as long as I get my own room and it's not much more than 1,000 gold. I'll stay at the shabby inn until then, and start working on crafting arrows.

There's a ton of information, and I can't tell what's official. Did we determine for sure how much gold everyone is getting? What happened with the items more than one person wanted?

Tike, am I good to move forward with my original plan of leveling deepwood sniper?

So I think Epik is going to take the Belt, I am going to make a belt for Magma, and you get the Plate.

Maybe you can give Epik your +1 plate so he doesn't have to spend any cash on it? It's been reconsecrated at the church so it's good aligned again

Or Maybe Magma since he isn't getting the belt or the plate?

Or is Magma back into rolling on the Plate?

If Magma takes the BP (Only thing that changed from my list) Everyone's take home cash is 11,586

If Magma doesn't take the BP+2 it's back to 11,936 for everyone

Still need to know if there are any sort of trade rules in place with Skie, to see if we are trading item for item if we can get better then 50% value or not.

Also need to see if we are going to try and set up a store front before we sell everything so we have some inventory to actually sell. And what the rules are for running a store and how badly the tax man is going to rape us.

If we've got the time Sam, I'd be very interested in the same type of belt you are making, but +2 dex/str. I'll of course cover the material costs.

As far as living arangement, I'm happy to pitch in on a place, as long as I get my own room and it's not much more than 1,000 gold. I'll stay at the shabby inn until then, and start working on crafting arrows.

There's a ton of information, and I can't tell what's official. Did we determine for sure how much gold everyone is getting? What happened with the items more than one person wanted?

Tike, am I good to move forward with my original plan of leveling deepwood sniper?

i am going to fix the Treasure list. there will be 2 pages 1 for the items being sold and 1 for what i believe to be your total spendable income in gp

Nowzai would be interested in a +2 Int headband also, or even a +4 (8k material cost) if I don't find anything else to buy/craft. I'll start looking over the list.

Tike, did you have a tab of our faction totals up to this point? I've looked over all my files and don't have that. Might be buried in the Google threads or something.

Sadly no go on the +4 has it's base cost can't be more then 16k not crafting cost.

Otherwise I would be looking at upgrading my Headband to +4 for 6k...alas I can not

Lemme know when to pull the trigger on the headband or if there is anything else I am at 18 days crafting so far, so we got 2/3 roughly left

60 days of crafting, yes.

For business running, there are downtime rules from Ultimate Campaign but I'm not familiar with them and not really inclined to get familiar. Simpler versions turn into rolling skill checks for gold. Not a fan. What I will allow is take 10 on profession checks for every day of 60 that you're not doing something else.

As far as setting up a magic item shop ... I'd consider the demand. Skie, the only magic shop in the area turns over 5 to 6 items every couple months. You would be one a direct competition to her.

Skie won't give you a discount for trade in. That's cutting into her profit and since you all have nowejere else to go to sell items ... She's not inclined to budge much.

She has offered a 10% discount/plus up on purchases/sales if you allow her to engrave your party name on her shop.

Nowzai, I think I have yours on my Hero Lab file. Will check and post.

Magma's Aunt house can't be raised any higher. There are limits to the heights of buildings in the lower districts so they don't obstruct the view if the lake from the wealthy. She is also not interested in having 6 famous and dangerous people living in her home. Reputation draws crime in her neighborhood.

Nemoris, yes, sniper is good to go. Keep good character sheets coming to me since I can't use Hero Lab for you until I've built those classes (not easy for computer stupid dude like moi)

I owe Dalamus a response to his request about Reven Twindaggers and Nowzai an answer on current prestige. Anything else I haven't addressed?

60 days of crafting, yes.

For business running, there are downtime rules from Ultimate Campaign but I'm not familiar with them and not really inclined to get familiar. Simpler versions turn into rolling skill checks for gold. Not a fan. What I will allow is take 10 on profession checks for every day of 60 that you're not doing something else.

As far as setting up a magic item shop ... I'd consider the demand. Skie, the only magic shop in the area turns over 5 to 6 items every couple months. You would be one a direct competition to her.

Skie won't give you a discount for trade in. That's cutting into her profit and since you all have nowejere else to go to sell items ... She's not inclined to budge much.

She has offered a 10% discount/plus up on purchases/sales if you allow her to engrave your party name on her shop.

Nowzai, I think I have yours on my Hero Lab file. Will check and post.

Magma's Aunt house can't be raised any higher. There are limits to the heights of buildings in the lower districts so they don't obstruct the view if the lake from the wealthy. She is also not interested in having 6 famous and dangerous people living in her home. Reputation draws crime in her neighborhood.

All sounds good to me. I am down with putting my name on her shop

For me it's not worth worrying about the shop then, I will leave it up to you all if you want to get a house. Was Magma's Aunt ok with us at least housing the Vault with her?

Any bending on the Crusader's and allowing me to go higher then 10 as I am not good but I am right in line with their Dogma? (I guess this might just be a limit in the book but you don't have it on the site, did you decide to not have this?)

Or any of the other Faction questions I had above I am down with RPing any of these conversations

Edit - Faction: Bluecrater Academy

Are the only 3 classes the ones listed?

Knowledge (Arcana) DC: 25
Linguistics: DC 20
Spellcraft: DC 20

Or is there knowledge Planes or anything like that? I don't have Lingustics so there is no way for me to make a DC 20 on that

You don't have to succeed at them all to pass, but those skills are where their passions are. It's what they teach.

Crusaders won't waive the alignment requirement

The Red Mantis won't just selectively assassinate. Murder is their religion.

I can develop the Prophets if you think that's where your interests lie.

Or the Hellknights, but I'll remind you theybserve an Empire that's in a contract with Asmodeus.

Don't worry about the Prophets would have been cool if we looked at doing a shop, without that it's not in line with Sam at all.

I would like to take a deeper look at Hellknights and Pathfinder and Bluecrater

Will move this over to the Game Play under a factions flex time

We posted the same time on the Hellknights, just disregard anything I have posted about them since, I will pass on them

Sadly no go on the +4 has it's base cost can't be more then 16k not crafting cost.

Otherwise I would be looking at upgrading my Headband to +4 for 6k...alas I can not

Lemme know when to pull the trigger on the headband or if there is anything else I am at 18 days crafting so far, so we got 2/3 roughly left

Well that's not really what Tike posted. He noted a 15k limit on hired crafters in town, not specifying if we are making them ourselves. With 8k materials (well below the 15k limit), I don't see why we would be further hamstrung in what we can craft.

Tike, can you clarify?

Sam is correct, but I'll bump it to 16k since there's a natural break line there with items and weapons.

Sam is correct, but I'll bump it to 16k since there's a natural break line there with items and weapons.

Woo hoo!

I don't care what Chappy says about you, you are an ok guy

I might not be making that belt then, gotta crunch some numbers and see

Anything else I haven't addressed?

We have Return Lord Gurzenon. How Are You my Lord may i be of Service or does the Church of Torag require my help.
Have you been able to locate of some Mithral. i would like to make a suit of armor for a friend of mine.

Is their any Adamantine to be found?

can you give me damage on the crossbow of frost in skie shop? it is calling to me

Tike, am I correct in thinking that we can all gain prestige points if we are a member of a faction, and we achieve the notables of that faction? Hence Dalamus will not be eligible for any prestige opportunities?

Is this an accurate listing of what Skie has for sale?

https://docs.google.com/a/e-walsh.net/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZG VmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxzaGFja2xlZHNpdGV8Z3g6MjFkYTBiNWFhYTAzMDM1OQ

Sam is correct, but I'll bump it to 16k since there's a natural break line there with items and weapons.

Thanks! Once we get our final cash total, I'll build a proper shopping/crafting list. There are a few spells I plan to research at the academy also.

can anyone use the Bracers of armor +2?

Dalamus do you want Shadow Essence Poison?

How much for the Red Dragon Scale Hide Armor?

is there any Mithral raw ore or weapons in the city?

is there any Adamantine in the city?

No raw mithril or Adamantine, thought I answered that.

Red dragon hide is worth twice as much as regular masterwork armor

Yes I will take the poison.

No raw mithril or Adamantine, thought I answered that.

Red dragon hide is worth twice as much as regular masterwork armor

Thanks I probably missed it, are there any weapons to be purchase?

Can I find another mithral chainmail shirt I the city non magical?

No skymetal for purchase anywhere in the city, raw or refined.