Perception 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (14) + 11 = 25 Sense Motive 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (7) + 10 = 17
The mantis takes to the air, circling lazily towards the woman.
Here's the plan. Next round, get the helmet out of my pack and put it on, then draw both swords. Following round, Mantis moves to put me within range of the woman; I full attack. I don't think you need to put me in a particular place on the map, unless someone has see invisibility all of a sudden.
Martin, as it seems like you are jumping in as a response to the woman's actions, I'm putting you into the initiative order ahead of Pygrado and Leto.
New Initiative Order:
Blonde Woman (DM 1)
Critter (DM 2)
Leto's ray strikes the creature, and it starts to move a little less powerfully.
The creature roars in fury, and as its wounds close a little more, it makes a massive leap at the woman, slashing at her with one clawed hand. It rips across one of the three copies of the woman and apparently manages to strike the real one, as all three of her now bear a deep slash along one arm. They wince in pain.
Gareth and Jamros are up!
Also, are you sure about that sneak attack rule? As very weak counter-evidence, I'd offer this, but I've assumed that invisibility/flat-footedness ends at the end of the attack action, not the attack, and since a full attack is one action that both attacks get the benefits.
In that comic, Haley alone acted in the surprise round. Her one shot treated the chimera as flat-footed. She then won initiative, again allowing her to act before the chimera. These two shots were not part of the same full attack action, but were instead made on separate, albeit consecutive, turns. When a creature has not yet acted in a combat, it is generally treated as flat-footed (yes, I'm aware that many class abilities and spells/feats/whatever negate this, hence I say "generally"), hence the sneak attack. As attacking the woman will (probably) not prompt a new combat, I don't see how the given example applies to this situation.
As for the invisibility issue, I've always considered it to end as soon as the invisible creature attempts a direct attack (you get the benefit of it for that strike). My reasons for this interpretation are as follows:
1) SA Bards and Assassins (3.5 prestige class version) become extremely OP due to their 1st-level Swift Invisibility spell.
2) Invisibility is more for set-up, scouting and utility than for offensive action (hence the longer duration than Greater Invisibility. Especially given the high power of some sneak attack builds and the (comparatively) easy access to Invisibility, fights could often be ended in one round if a full attack were allowed while under the effect of the spell, negating the point of Greater Invisibility, the version actually designed for direct offense.
3) Do you (the player) really want to make it easier for monsters with sneak attack to get the benefit of that ability off of full attacks? I didn't think so.
EDIT: So you're grounded for this next round, but in the following round you will take off and attack? Just remind me of what you're doing and how you're doing it on your turn.
Whoops, forgot about the bless effects last round! Not that it mattered I think.
Gareth focuses on the matter at hand rather than waffling about the woman's allegiance. He fires two shots at the beast (w/DA)
Attack 1:1d20 + 6 + 1 ⇒ (19) + 6 + 1 = 26
Damage 1:1d8 + 7 ⇒ (1) + 7 = 8
Attack 2:1d20 + 6 + 1 ⇒ (20) + 6 + 1 = 27
Damage 2:1d8 + 7 ⇒ (5) + 7 = 12
Confirm:1d20 + 6 + 1 ⇒ (18) + 6 + 1 = 25
Additional Damage:1d8 + 7 ⇒ (1) + 7 = 8
Crit Deck 1:1d52 ⇒ 20...(Appendicitis)
Crit Deck 2:1d52 ⇒ 3...(Left Reeling)
The card is vague about the poisoning, so I'll just take Left Reeling
Bonus effect: Double Damage + Target's AC decreased by 2 for 1d4 ⇒ 1 rounds.
And wow, 18/19/20 in the same round, sign me up!
Man, how am I going to follow that?
Jamros mutters a prayer and a shimmering battleaxe appears in J12 and attacks the giant reptilian thing.
attack: 1d20 + 7 + 1 ⇒ (14) + 7 + 1 = 22 -1 if the weapon doesn't get my bless bonus, which I'm honestly not sure if it should.
damage: 1d8 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 1 = 5
Posting from phone, so no new map. Positioning hasn't changed much, though.
Gareth's first shot strikes the creature in the tip of its tail, passing straight through the thin flesh. His second shot rips through its arm and out the other side. The creature roars furiously. Jamros summons an axe, which inflicts a shallow wound on the creature's shoulder. The woman looses a large electrical blast from one hand, but the creature manages to dodge the worst of it.
The creature is obviously hurting, but is still very much alive and dangerous.
Martin, Pygrado and Leto are up!
Roll a will save, DC 18. Not a compulsion.
It looks to me like Martin has a clear line to charge the creature, if so he will do so, otherwise double move as close as I can.
ATK:1d20 + 12 ⇒ (4) + 12 = 16
dmg:1d8 + 5 ⇒ (4) + 5 = 9
Ankou will do likewise
ATK:1d20 + 7 ⇒ (11) + 7 = 18
DMG:1d6 + 3 ⇒ (5) + 3 = 8
trip attempt if hit: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (1) + 7 = 8
Martin and Ankou charge the creature, but it nimbly avoids their attacks. Leto launches a color spray at the creature, catching Martin and Ankou in the area as well. Everyone shrugs off the effects of the spell without issue, however.
Martin Will Save: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (15) + 4 = 19
Ankou Will Save: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (14) + 4 = 18
Pygrado is nowhere to be seen.
The beast roars, vaults nimbly away from Martin and Ankou (no AoO), and flees west into the woods.
As there's some distrust regarding the woman, I'm going to say that we remain on initiative for the moment.
All three copies of the woman drift to L11, about 15 feet above the ground. She does not holster her weapon, but does hold it loosely by her side rather than aim it at anything. "Thank you for the assistance. As for your question, a bunch of red-wearing, bug-obsessed idiots kidnapped me and locked me up on a ship. When it crashed, I broke free and escaped inland," she says. "My name is Milea Carelli. Might I know yours?"
There's more to her story, and she knows a lot more about her kidnappers than she's letting on. She also knows exactly who you guys are, your meeting her here was no accident, and she needed no assistance from you. Basically, you get the impression that this was all one big test.
"They weren't exactly talkative. I rather doubt they intended to share their plans with a prisoner," Milea says, smiling. "And you can tell your friend in the woods that it's safe to come out now - the beast is gone and I don't bite."
She is being entirely truthful. And completely dishonest.
Martin looks really confused about something, but just shrugs his shoulders. Looking up from the ground Martin walks over eyeing Milea suspiciously.
Literally impossible for me to pass her SM DC but if i get a bonus circumstance bonus from the spoiler tags I'll try.
SM1:1d20 + 4 ⇒ (15) + 4 = 19
SM2:1d20 + 4 ⇒ (12) + 4 = 16
"So if I may ask, why all of the blood?
SM: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (5) + 9 = 14
"I'm getting the distinct impression that what brought you to the library yesterday and the topic in question did not come about out of pure intellectual curiousity. Why did you want to learn about that document?"
Sense Motives 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (19) + 10 = 29 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (16) + 10 = 26
OH GOD, the perfect numbers but out of order. Oh well...
Attack 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (1) + 5 = 6 vs. flat-footed
Damage 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9
Grab attempt 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (8) + 11 = 19 vs. CMD
Pygrado then attacks with both blades.
Attack 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (11) + 9 = 20 vs flat-footed
Damage 1d8 + 2 + 2d6 ⇒ (8) + 2 + (6, 5) = 21
Attack 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (10) + 9 = 19 vs AC
Damage 1d8 ⇒ 1
I'll let DMCD describe what happens, based on my rolls.
Mantis fumble confirmation: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (8) + 3 = 11 Confirms
Fumble Deck: 1d52 ⇒ 49 Battered (-2 to all skill checks and saving throws for 1d4 ⇒ 1 hours)
Miss chance 1 (66%): 1d100 ⇒ 34 Hits an image
Miss chance 2 (50%): 1d100 ⇒ 67 Hits the target
"I was researching Old Altin's city dist-" Milea begins, but is interrupted as Pygrado, riding bareback atop a giant red praying mantis and wearing his mantis helm, appears right behind her (all are 15 feet above the ground). Both Pygrado and his mantis lash out. The mantis manages to get its claws stuck on each other and seems to injure itself (fumble). Pygrado scythes away one of the images, leaving only two copies of Milea. His second strike slashes through another one of her without meeting any resistance, but this copy does not fade. Instead, she simply smiles slyly.
We're back on initiative, it seems!
Order remains as before, just without the critter. Leto, Gareth, and Jamros are up!
If you are trained in Spellcraft, you may roll to identify what manner of illusion she is.
The will save is not a compulsion effect or even due to an enchantment spell at all. Everyone should roll it.
Will Save:1d20 + 6 ⇒ (19) + 6 = 25
Gareth rushes forward to face Pygrado on M11. He yells out, "Pygrado, what in the f*ck! Stand down! Let the pretty lady tell us about her studies."
I passed the save, but technically I already failed it in a previous spoiler. If I get a reroll, I'll potentially say more. For now this is my turn's action.
Spellcraft:1d20 + 7 ⇒ (6) + 7 = 13
Will:1d20 + 6 ⇒ (6) + 6 = 12
Jamros moves to L17. "Wha' in th' Devil 'r y' doin' Pyg?!"
How many turns has it been? i.e., is my battle axe gone?
Also, I really will get back to the city convo eventually. :P
So it is obvious to me (but not to Jamros) that the woman is an illusion, but she cast mirror image, which only has a range of self. But if she just made the illusion of the spell, then might everyone who saw the spell cast get a will save to recognize that there wasn't actually any spell cast and that she isn't there? I'd make the same case for the lightning spell that she used (perception to notice the lack of ozone smell?) but Jamros didn't make that spell check and so definitely shouldn't get a will save.
Crap, I knew I forgot something. You can retroactively attempt either spellcraft check if you did not do so before. If you tried and failed, do not attempt that check again. Success on either allows you to attempt the DC 18 will save. The illusion perfectly mimics the casting components (V, S, M where applicable) and all byproducts of the spells (such as the ozone smell of lightning) except for actually causing damage.
Jamros has succeeded at the Mirror Image spellcraft check (DC 17), but failed the lightning bolt check (DC 18). Leto never attempted either and may now attempt both. You get one retroactive will save attempt (DC 18) per spellcraft success.
If you succeed at the retroactive will save, don't retcon (but DO roll another DC 18 spellcraft check to figure out what's really going on). Just have your character react with a sort of "I knew something was off" response, and go from there.
ADDENDUM: Shared with both of you, as you're the only party members trained in spellcraft. The order of checks is Spellcraft -> Will Save.
This is the next round. Your battle axe is still present (though not pictured due to DM laziness) at ground level in J12.
Spellcraft check 1: 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (7) + 10 = 17Made it! Barely
Spellcraft Check 2: 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (6) + 10 = 16 You have got to be kidding me with these rolls.
Will Save:1d20 + 9 ⇒ (11) + 9 = 20 Wooot!!!
Spellcraft (For What type of Illusion):1d20 + 10 ⇒ (11) + 10 = 21
Leto looks at the woman "Oh my...First of all. I've decided I very much like you. Illusions! Illusions! Would never have thought of that one. You get to figure out all of our abilities, whether we are hostile, and, in that circumstance, you get to face people who have burned through spells and abilities." Leto pauses looking at the struggling Mantis "And in case any giant Mantis' try to kill you, they get to hurt themselves. I love it."
"Now, I would love to hear the rest of that story you were about to tell, just give me one second to deal with an annoyance."
Leto turns to Pygrado and begins swearing for the first time you have ever heard him do so, "WHAT THE GODS DAMNED HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU YOU HOMICIDAL MANIAC!!!!!!!! First you try to be all mysterious about what the f*$~ is going on here and I finally let it pass in the end! People are entitled to some of their secrets! We all have them! So I didn't pry! Clearly that was the wrong decision! If I had known you would try to murder some woman in the middle of the woods with a f&$*ing giant mantis! I WOULD HAVE HANDLED THAT SITUATION DIFFERENTLY!!! What is going on!!! And no more of this MYSTERIOUS CRAP!" Leto appears livid. "NOT IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRY TO MURDER--LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN--MURDER PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US WITH NO EXPLANATION! IF YOU HAD SUCCEEDED WERE YOU EVER PLANNING ON TELLING US WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT? Or were you going to trust that we trust you to randomly murder the right people?" Leto looks more angry than you have ever seen him.
Small retcon: the mantis could not have attacked the false Milea, and so did not actually fumble. Pygrado's attacks remain valid.
You suspect that the creature was also a part of the illusion.
Milea just floats there, right next to Pygrado and the mantis, doing nothing. Suddenly, another Milea appears about 20 feet in the air in K16, before descending to ground level in L14.
The new version of Milea is completely unharmed and her clothes are not covered in blood. She does have one of the little fire tubes, but it is holstered on her belt. "As I said, red-wearing, bug-obsessed idiots," she says, sighing theatrically. "Now, land your mantis and let's talk like civilized people."
She is serious about talking like civilized people. She is very carefully acting in a non-aggressive manner, but is quite prepared to respond to any violence initiated by you guys.
No map because I'm posting this from my phone.
second will for spellcraft: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (8) + 6 = 14 no dice...
sm:1d20 + 5 ⇒ (12) + 5 = 17
"Y' 'ere fer real yet? Not a problem if yer not, I jus' want to know wha' I'm dealin' with. Can y' catch?" Jamros picks up a small pebble and gently tosses it to her to see if the new Milea is real.
attack (ranged touch?): 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (3) + 6 = 9 (+3 more if Jamros can use dex and not str) oof...
SM:1d20 + 4 ⇒ (20) + 4 = 24 Holy s!@+, look at my recent rolls. Last 5 have been 18+ I believe.
Gareth puts away his bow and approaches the woman. He seems to ignore any kind of shouting that may be occurring between Pygrado and Leto. "A clever illusion, Milea. Had me fooled for a bit." He extends his hand, "Gareth Aldridge. My apologies for any hostilities from our fellow bug obsessed idiot. You see, we met a bad twist of fate ourselves when our vessel to Carron was sunk by a black dragon, and morale seems to be a bit low around our party. But please, do go on, I'd love to hear about your studies that have brought you to these parts."
Edit from the ninja DM post: Looks like we're on initiative still. This action applies if we go off initiative and nothing crazy happens otherwise.
This is exactly the problem with turn-based gameplay. You all are getting chatty while I am quite actively and continuously trying to kill this woman.
Pretty sure allowing himself to fall off the mantis is a free action, but landing:
Acrobatics (landing) 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (2) + 13 = 15
The mantis banks sharply to the right and descends. Pygrado slides off around N15, landing in a nimble shoulder roll. He taps once at the brooch of his cloak, and his eyes glaze over momentarily with concentration before he vanishes from sight again. The mantis alights in MN 16-17 and lashes out at the new appearance of Milea.
Attack 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (20) + 5 = 25
Crit confirm 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (7) + 5 = 12 Guessing that's a no.
Damage 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9
Grab attempt 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (12) + 11 = 23
"That is it!"
Leto turns to the Mantis and casts hypnotism and says to it "Leave us to converse, including the woman."
If the request is too much it should, if I understand this correctly, and it fails the will save, just stare at me and do nothing.
Sidenote: If this works, which I suspect is unlikely, it will be hilarious.
Okay then, looks like my last post doesn't count.
Gareth charges at the mantis (M15), drawing his greatsword, and takes a slash at the beast.
Attack:1d20 + 10 ⇒ (2) + 10 = 12
Damage2d6 + 4 ⇒ (6, 3) + 4 = 13
He yells, "Pygrado! Show yourself, you traitor!" He is clearly angry.
AC down to 18 this round
Not to be a rules lawyer.... but....stealth doesn't really work that way pygrado. You don't just get to disappear all of a sudden, but you instead need some sort of concealment to stealth unless you have hide in plain sight (Maybe you do,who knows?) so we do actually get to know where you were headed to, albight maybe not your final destination. Unfortunately, there's not really a clear line in the rules about whet you're paying attention, so maybe Martin was paying close attention to pygrado etc, and he can't just pop out of existence in an open space,but instead needs concealment to do so. Long story short, we probably get to know the direction your running, and maybe even what your hiding behind until you get to something that blocks line of sight. Alternatively, you can use some sort of bluff skill to make us count as being distracted which would allow you to do what you just tried.
as a side note, this is one of those tough things about stealth, but RAWR you can't really dash between pillars and remain hidden if your trying to sneak up on the BBEG, which seems kinda silly, and breaks the rule of cool.
Anyway, I defer to CD as always.