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I dont understand how to modify this.
Beast shape II (from a feat) turns me into a large raven. From beast shape II,
Large animal: If the form you take is that of a Large animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus.
now heres the default raven:
N Tiny animal
Init +2; Senses low-light vision; Perception +6
DEFENSE
AC 14, touch 14, flat-footed 12 (+2 Dex, +2 size)
hp 3 (1d8–1)
Fort +1, Ref +4, Will +2
OFFENSE
Speed 10 ft., fly 40 ft. (average)
Melee bite +4 (1d3–4)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
STATISTICS
Str 2, Dex 15, Con 8, Int 2, Wis 15, Cha 7
Base Atk +0; CMB +0; CMD 6
Feats Skill Focus (Perception), Weapon Finesse
Skills Fly +6, Perception +6
So i assume the stats listed under Large for Beast Shape II apply to MY stats, not this tiny raven. A large raven with a str of 6 and a single bite of +6 for 1d3-2 damage is not the intent of the spell.
I know all my armor and normal gear folds in, but do i also lose all my natural attacks? (im a tengu with bite/claw/claw)
If i really did want to attack in this raven form, would i really only have a single bite, at +6 to hit, for 1d3-2 damage? (after factoring my +4 str from large template)
help! is this just for travel and im unable to fight while in it?
I may be wrong here, but you don't turn into a large raven. You can turn into any creature that is natural large, but you don't alter the stats of other creatures to make them large animals. You can now just turn into large animals.
So, you could turn into a giant eagle, which is large size category. You would adjust your base abilities and gain +4 strength, -2 dex, and +4 natural armor.
You would also gain fly 60ft (good), and low-light vision.
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Generally, you have to pick an animal from the Bestiary that is already Large. Your GM may decide that large ravens exist on his world and in that case you would use their stats, but otherwise you generally choose animals that already exist at the target size for beats shape spells.
There's a feat that I suspect you are using:
You can shift into the form of a giant black raven.
Prerequisites: Tengu Wings, character level 7th, tengu.
Benefit: Once per day, you can take the form of a Large black bird resembling a raven, granting you a fly speed of 60 feet (good maneuverability), a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus. This spell-like ability otherwise functions as beast shape II with a caster level equal to your level.
Apply the effect of beast shape II, but use the ability score modifiers, fly speed, and natural armor specified by the feat. The ability scores in the bestiary entry aren't relevant.
Per the rules for polymorphing, you lose any natural attacks et al. you have in your normal form and gain the natural attacks of the changed form. So, yes, you'd have a bite. However, since your size is Large instead of Tiny, increase the bite damage dice by three steps to 1d8. Also, use your own modifiers, not the raven's. If you have 10 Strength in normal form, in Tengu Raven Form you'd bite for 1d8+2 damage (1d8 for the base bite, +2 for 14 Strength).
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There's a feat that I suspect you are using:
You can shift into the form of a giant black raven.
Prerequisites: Tengu Wings, character level 7th, tengu.
Benefit: Once per day, you can take the form of a Large black bird resembling a raven, granting you a fly speed of 60 feet (good maneuverability), a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus. This spell-like ability otherwise functions as beast shape II with a caster level equal to your level.
Apply the effect of beast shape II, but use the ability score modifiers, fly speed, and natural armor specified by the feat. The ability scores in the bestiary entry aren't relevant.
Per the rules for polymorphing, you lose any natural attacks et al. you have in your normal form and gain the natural attacks of the changed form. So, yes, you'd have a bite. However, since your size is Large instead of Tiny, increase the bite damage dice by three steps to 1d8. Also, use your own modifiers, not the raven's. If you have 10 Strength in normal form, in Tengu Raven Form you'd bite for 1d8+2 damage (1d8 for the base bite, +2 for 14 Strength).
You are Aroden reborn. That is exactly what i was looking for. I can never find the rules for increasing tiny damage to large.
only correction id have is that when making a single primary natural attack 9instead of say claw claw bite), you add 1.5x str so +3 =D
Oh yeah, do that too. : D I forgot since the Bestiary raven's bite doesn't apply the penalty as 1.5x. (The 1.5x rule only applies to Strength bonuses, not penalties.)
Any polymorph gives you the natural attacks of the creature. We don't actually have any stats for 'giant black raven.' One valid interpretation would be to simply use the tiny raven and size it up. Another option would be to find a similar creature and use it's stats. The large roc animal companion has claws and a bite as does the giant eagle (magical beast not animal.) The giant vulture has only a bite, similar to our sized up raven, and the giant owl (huge, and a magical beast) has 2 claw attacks.
Personally, I would find it weird that a tengu who has claws because he related to birds loses those claws when he actually becomes a bird. I would probably rule that a 'giant black raven' is most similar to the roc animal companion and use those natural attacks.
I dont understand how to modify this.
Large animal: If the form you take is that of a Large animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus.
[. . .]
N Tiny animal
Senses low-light vision
[. . .]
Speed 10 ft., fly 40 ft. (average)
[. . .]
Melee bite +4 (1d3–4)
Basically you become a large raven. Any natural attacks you currently possess disappear with your body. So, lose all natural attacks, all manufactured attacks, you cannot speak so you cannot cast spells without silent spell, you do not have arms so you cannot cast spells without still spell, you cannot access your spell component pouch so you cannot cast spells that require spell components unless you pointedly said that you moved said components to your mouth--and even then that is open to debate!--
What you gain:
Base land Speed drops to 10 feet
Base Fly speed becomes 60 feet (good)
Low-Light Vision
+4 size bonus to your character's base STR.
-2 size bonus to your character's base DEX.
+4 size bonus to your character's base Natural Armor.
Melee Bite (STR+BAB-1[size]+feats) 1d8+STR*1.5 (If you only have 1 natural attack you treat it as a 2-handed weapon)
That is it as far as I know.
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I dont understand how to modify this.
Large animal: If the form you take is that of a Large animal, you gain a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus.
[. . .]
N Tiny animal
Senses low-light vision
[. . .]
Speed 10 ft., fly 40 ft. (average)
[. . .]
Melee bite +4 (1d3–4)Basically you become a large raven. Any natural attacks you currently possess disappear with your body. So, lose all natural attacks, all manufactured attacks, you cannot speak so you cannot cast spells without silent spell, you do not have arms so you cannot cast spells without still spell, you cannot access your spell component pouch so you cannot cast spells that require spell components unless you pointedly said that you moved said components to your mouth--and even then that is open to debate!--
What you gain:
Base land Speed drops to 10 feet
Base Fly speed becomes 60 feet (good)
Low-Light Vision
+4 size bonus to your character's base STR.
-2 size bonus to your character's base DEX.
+4 size bonus to your character's base Natural Armor.
Melee Bite (STR+BAB-1[size]+feats) 1d8+STR*1.5 (If you only have 1 natural attack you treat it as a 2-handed weapon)That is it as far as I know.
Can't a raven speak 1 known language? I know ravens can speak in real life and the wizard's raven familiar can speak 1 language known by its master. In addition, I'd argue since you're not losing your intelligence score when altering into this "raven form" that you're dumbing yourself down or losing the ability to speak. It seems that ravens have the ability to speak, and if so then I'd say that you should be able to speak any known language in that case.
Feel free to provide a counter argument though.
Basically you become a large raven. Any natural attacks you currently possess disappear with your body. So, lose all natural attacks, all manufactured attacks, you cannot speak so you cannot cast spells without silent spell, you do not have arms so you cannot cast spells without still spell, you cannot access your spell component pouch so you cannot cast spells that require spell components unless you pointedly said that you moved said components to your mouth--and even then that is open to debate!--
Caw! Caw! .... Caw! :-)
Actually, the feat mentioned stated you become a "Large black bird". You resemble a raven, not you are a raven. Some creatures come in multiple sizes. If any of them have different sets of attacks, you have a case for the Large black bird having attacks different from the raven's.
Can't a raven speak 1 known language? I know ravens can speak in real life and the wizard's raven familiar can speak 1 language known by its master.
The Familiar table lists "Raven*". The "*" note sais "Speaks one language of its master's choice as a supernatural ability." The Bestiary entry for Raven indicates a regular animal with no language. The polymorph spells cause you to loose Sp and Su, but language is natural, so you can still speak, especially since ravens can be trained to "speak" in a recognizable manner.
/cevah
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I can never find the rules for increasing tiny damage to large.
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You cannot become a larger version of an animal, unless that animal is in the bestiary (i. e. wolf - dire wolf).
Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.
Basically, becoming a large raven would be adding a template to a raven.