Fast Movement (Barbarian wording vs. Monk wording)


Rules Questions


Why isn't speed listed in the wording of Enhancement bonuses? It was added to the chart under enhancement bonuses [link below] but the online reference document doesn't link them properly.

The monk's fast movement is noted as an enhancement bonus while the barbarian's is untyped. I know this was mentioned in the SRD as well

Quote:


Bonus (Enhancement)

An enhancement bonus represents an increase in the sturdiness and/or effectiveness of armor or natural armor, or the effectiveness of a weapon, or a general bonus to an ability score. Multiple enhancement bonuses on the same object (in the case of armor and weapons), creature (in the case of natural armor), or ability score do not stack. Only the highest enhancement bonus applies. Since enhancement bonuses to armor or natural armor effectively increase the armor or natural armor's bonus to AC, they don't apply against touch attacks.

Compare this:

Fast Movement (Ex): A barbarian's land speed is faster than the norm for her race by +10 feet. This benefit applies only when she is wearing no armor, light armor, or medium armor, and not carrying a heavy load. Apply this bonus before modifying the barbarian's speed because of any load carried or armor worn. This bonus stacks with any other bonuses to the barbarian's land speed.

To this:
Fast Movement (Ex): At 3rd level, a monk gains an enhancement bonus to his land speed, as shown on Table: Monk. A monk in armor or carrying a medium or heavy load loses this extra speed.

In fact the only place where speed is noted as a enhancement bonus is in the bonus chart see here: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/magic/designingSpells.html #_bonus-types

Debby


A barbarian's bonus is untyped and always stacks (except as noted). A monk's bonus does not stack with other enhancement bonuses.

And why is it not listed? I'm sure it was simply missed.


So... would an Aasimar Barb/Monk with the trait that makes this legal have a base speed of 50 ft?


The reason it is there is because generally the only speed bonuses that are enhancements are spells.

The monk remains an enhancement bonuses because originally his speed capabilities were immunity to haste and slow. In the change from 2e to 3e it was made into an enhancement bonus to speed specifically so that it wouldn't stack with haste to keep the original intent.

Other than that, I've not heard of a non spell or magic item based movement speed bonus that is enhancement which is probably why it was missed.


Arachnofiend wrote:
So... would an Aasimar Barb/Monk with the trait that makes this legal have a base speed of 50 ft?

Seems like it to me.


It used to be even more different. In 3E, Monk simply got the bonus to speed, and Barb was still restricted to adding it just to land speed. So you pop a Fly spell on a level 20 monk, and she's flying at speed 120. But PF nerfed that away...


And when I thought that monks already had it bad. A monk with high enough levels doesn't benefit from the movement speed bonuses given by Boots of Striding and Springing, Haste, Expeditious Retreat, and Blessings of Fervor. What a shame.


To be clear, in 3rd edition Monk speed was untyped in the book. FAQ/Sage Advice clarified it to be an enhancement bonus, beyond +30 ft. - so it stacked in 3.5 up to that point, then overlapped. PF simplified that, to the monk's detriment.

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