thegreenteagamer |
I'm not gonna have the sheet done tonight. It's looking like an elf lore warden fighter 1, scrying diviner wizard 1, eldrich knight 5, arcane archer 2.
I'll try to finish tomorrow but with the holiday, we're doing a road trip, so I can't promise. I'll try but I don't want to guarantee anything I am not sure of.
Rynjin |
I'm not gonna have the sheet done tonight. It's looking like an elf lore warden fighter 1, scrying diviner wizard 1, eldrich knight 5, arcane archer 2.
I'll try to finish tomorrow but with the holiday, we're doing a road trip, so I can't promise. I'll try but I don't want to guarantee anything I am not sure of.
Why both EK and AA? Are you just dipping AA for Imbue Arrows and going EK the rest?
thegreenteagamer |
You can't early entry into AA: it only requires CL1, but it requires BAB 6 and a handful of feats. Ek you can, using the old early entry rules you ok'd, get into EK as early as 3rd level, but it pretty much forces you to be a scryer diviner wizard. So, it lets you gish it up a little before you get to 8th level. As for whether I'd continue as EK or AA after, I hadn't decided. I figure it would depend on how much archery vs spells I end up using.
Basically EK is required to make an AA not suck before high levels.
There's some downsides. Only one level worth of favored classes, going to have to buy literally every spell I have after first level wizard, no school benefits beyond first level...it's better than a fighter, but it's nothing outstanding.
Amanorn Preyedan |
I'm almost done. Frankly, I'm impressed at how good I have it looking. I'm doing this all on phone, ya know.
Just need to finish skills, spells, and equipment. Everything else is done!
This was a druid before, which is why the spell section looks off. I have to totally overhaul that part.
thegreenteagamer |
Woot, I don't have to hurry! (All but equipment and spells done, always the hardest part for me at higher levels....so many decisions. Imbue arrow makes so many short range spells so much better...like Bestow Curse from 100 feet away!)
thegreenteagamer |
Ah, dangit, it DOES say an area spell.
I was gonna be firing curse arrows and shocking grasp arrows and all that fun.
Oh well...
Anyway, since Rynjin won't be responding for a while, do you guys know where he stands in regard to cheese armors for mages, like haramaki, silken ceremonial robe, and armored kilt?
Darius Ral'algul |
This is why AA is almost literally.. AMF on an arrow.
Define Cheese armor.. because in general.. its just armor. You getat most.. +6 armor and then some armor enchants.. though its still armor and thus you can get sundered and whatnot.
thegreenteagamer |
Well, the fact that it has no spell failure, and thus there is no downside to wear it as a mage. A +1 haramaki is a lot cheaper than +2 bracers of armor. Throw in a mithral buckler for even more bonuses for less money than, say, a ring of force shield. Usually I go with Armored Kilt because some people have "issues" with eastern armor.
That kind of thing. A some people frown upon it.
Jones Shei'lac |
Rynj is usually pretty chill about that sort of thing. Dual's wizard in our Skulls and Shackles game has a haramaki.
Amanorn Preyedan |
Holy crap, that took forever, but I'm done, and I look fabulous.
My bow is that awesome because it cost half price because it's my bonded item.
thegreenteagamer |
I dunno. I was looking at the chart at the end of enchantments in the d20pfsrd page, where it says what's forbidden to put on what...a lot of stuff said "melee only" but ghost touch didn't. Ah, crapbaskets, was that a typo and now I gotta do something else?
Amanorn Preyedan |
This is the chart I was talking about...at the very bottom of the page.
So, since Rynjin isn't gonna be able to update and squeeze me in for a few days, it's back to readin' the ol' thread. I'm up to page 18.
I couldn't afford too many spells, since I have to buy scrolls for literally everything I learn, but if there's a spell someone wants, I'll totally add it...you know...if you buy the scroll, since I spent all my money. (I got haste. I know that's all that matters.)
I'm not really seeing Amanorn as a very...altruistic guy. He DOES hate undead, because he studied at Nex, and they kind of hate Geb, and Geb is full of undead, so...you know how when you go to college your professors kind of cram their personal philosophies down your throat? And you get these impressionable kids who suddenly think they're Marxists, even though they don't know crap about economics, and they're so privileged they would cry if they had to switch from bottled spring water to filtered? That kind of thing.
(I might do the Arcanamirium, instead of in Nex itself, since they encourage martial-magic blending, per the PathfinderWiki, and it is run by the Arclords of Nex, so the same professor-instilled hatred of Undead is probably possible. Or, you know, the guy is over 200 years old, why not both?)
But in any case, I'm trying to figure some motivation to push me into risking infection to get in the area you guys are in. I suppose if anyone else knows you guys are in there, I could've been sent a Sending spell by a family member or friend to go look for you. Especially since we've established that I have ties to Darius's family. His, I dunno, grandmother could've saved my life a couple times, or something.
Amanorn Preyedan |
Ah, balls. Okay, let me fix that. Thanks for the heads up.
Dangit, no way I can afford to buy the arrows at full price, especially since I'll have to buy the +1 to get the ghost touch. Sumnabeach! Looks like I'm just gonna swap that Ghost Touch for Seeking.
Also, while I'm at it, I forgot to add my bonuses from Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization.
Amanorn Preyedan |
TBH I'm not crazy about W.Spec. I didn't know what other feat to take. I don't really have the slots to do really good metamagic yet, but since I'm doing imbue arrow shots, I won't be rapid firing or anything like that.
Spell Penetration a good choice you think? Stack with that elven bonus, maybe grab greater later? It does kinda work nicely with how Riving Strike makes my spells harder to resist when I shoot them through my bow.
Darius Ral'algul |
Well it depends on what spells you are focusing on. SR might be prevalent or not. I assume eventually it will.
Which reminds me did you calculate your HP correctly? Not to mention your Spell levels seem off. You are also likely to be Rapid Firing.. Because of the cheat, you have as much BAB as Sledge, even more than me or Jones.
thegreenteagamer |
I'm not going to be rapid firing, because I don't have the feats, and because Imbue Arrow only works with a single shot.
Caster Level is boosted by 2 from having the Magical Knack trait.
Oh, crap baskets I forgot the drop from level 1 AA; I'm a 6/8 caster, not 7/9. Dangit. Well...this is gonna require a little recalculation.
Darius Ral'algul |
And As I said Imbue Arrow only works with AOEs and you dont have the spells slots to do that every round. I have no feats in ranged combat, guess who full attacks with a bow?
thegreenteagamer |
I guess so. :-/ Ugh. Even optimized with early entry this isn't looking as awesome as I thought. I'm still hoping this will work to my advantage.
I'll just hold onto those 4th level spells as scrolls in the meantime.
Darius Ral'algul |
I cant say as Im not sure you were going for, I will say that so far though you have an amazing advantage overall with which when you are coming in and how it now works. Did you see how HP was calculated in this game?
It'd be like if I didnt have to spend feats on this whip to use it well.
Amanorn Preyedan |
He said it was 1/2+1 IIRC
I have 8d10 and 1d6, with the first level fighter, and 12 CON...only get favored class with one level (wizard), so, it's...
10+(7x6)+4+1+9 = 24 + (42) = 66
D'oh. Screwed my math up.
A lot of this was done in the middle of hanging out with my family. that's why I posted it here, for help making sure I'm good. Fixed that and my spells.
I always liked Warpriests for whips. Especially a Calistrian warpriest. In studded leather. Because it fits the theme (in addition to being pretty powerful).
Too bad Limp Lash isn't on your spell list.
Darius Ral'algul |
I rather not suck and actually be good, as Warpriest doesnt do anything more than Inquis with levels of Fighter... As die size isnt important overall. Its a max of... 13 more damage.
I have yet to find a build that has needed warpreist that I couldnt do with Inquisitor. Very little has beaten Bane or Inquisitions or the spell list or Judgement (Study Target if you dont like Judgement).
As far as HP I think he had something where you get Half HD extra at first level.. or something. Still like 71.
My Char is more a Belmont, Warpriest would not fathom the theme too well.
Amanorn Preyedan |
Oh, yeah, overall I think Inquisitor is a better class. The swift action self buffs and heavy armor are what makes a warpriest nice, but the heavy armor is kinda worthless for a dex based fighter. But all the bonus feats warpriest gets makes a whip build more feasible; you can squeeze in all you need, and slashing grace, and such.
thegreenteagamer |
Wizards only get free spells for actual wizard levels. I have one level of wizard. According to a FAQ a looooooooong time back, the "+1 spelcaster level" does not apply to spells known for a wizard, witch, magus, or other prepared spellcaster that doesn't know all their spells.
thegreenteagamer |
thegreenteagamer |
In case the link doesn't work (cause it's not working for me):
Does a wizard (or other character that uses a spellbook), receive bonus spells to add to his spellbook when he gains a level in a prestige class that grants an increase to spellcasting?
No. The increase to his spellcasting level does not grant any other benefits, except for spells per day, spells known (for spontaneous casters), and an increase to his overall caster level. He must spend time and gold to add new spells to his spellbook.
DualJay |
In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more.
Rynjin (and so far as I know, basically everyone) uses this rule. You can basically buy spells in large port cities (or during character creation).
Amanorn Preyedan |
Just reached the introduction of Darius and Jones. Looks like Darius has enough arrogance to where I won't need to play the traditional elven role. :-P Hmm, what else are elves known to be?
thegreenteagamer |
WAITAMINUTE...Zin's introduction was "Meh, I'm bored, I'm following along for no reason whatsoever"?!
That's...I don't know if that's awesome or awful. I laughed, so I'm gonna go with awesome.
Jones Shei'lac |
Just reached the introduction of Darius and Jones. Looks like Darius has enough arrogance to where I won't need to play the traditional elven role. :-P Hmm, what else are elves known to be?
You can still be smug about how smart you are!
Amanorn Preyedan |
"Just what are you trying to insinuate, sir? It's not smugness if it's actually true. It's merely confidence. Then again, I suppose that's why I actually got a 100 on those tests while you got a 94. Definitions were 7% of the grade, dear Jones. I suppose you did the best with what you had available..."
thegreenteagamer |
And I laughed FAR TOO MUCH at this one:
Darius is tired, he starts whipping some more.
Yo name is TOBAY!: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (8) + 9 = 171d3 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8
Seriously, you're gonna get me in trouble. My wife is black, and if she finds out how loud I laughed at that one, I'm not gonna be a happy husband for a looooong time. Oh. My. God. Tears are in my eyes.
EDIT: I seriously am in tears with laughter at that. Oh. You guys are all awesome. This absolutely took the cake, though. I stop laughing, and then I read it in my head in exactly the voice...and I picture someone doing a REALLY bad impression with the name spelled out like that...and...oh...man...
Darius Ral'algul |
Well if it helps I am black, born in Detroit, Michigan and raised on my Grandma's farm in the summer months. So yes, I tend to make jokes from time to time.
thegreenteagamer |
Even if you were white it's still funny. Neal Brennan Style.
*reads some more of the thread*
NOOOO! Not Ezekiel! He was too young, um beautiful?, er good, funny to die!
Amanorn Preyedan |
*gets all itchy with his bow finger*
So, um, yeah. I'm totally ready to kill stuff.
It's not like my own game is getting any action this holiday weekend or anything.
Oh, where's the map you all seem to be referencing?