(3) [Traveller] The Wreck of the Verdant Dawn

Game Master mdt

Frontier Worlds/Syndimic Sectors | Vargr Extents/Ruler of Five

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Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

A bit of linguistics knowledge with EAVE. EAVE is always lying when she says she's a master of deception. She is not at all trained in computer use. So if she plugs in, she'll only really get what's spoon fed. And likely set off every alert the enemies have.


Commonality Droyne - 396CCC[5]

So, this is Malt's thinking when he's talking about circuit traces...

The fighters need occasional refueling.
The fuel is fissile material and needs secure storage.
Moving fissile materials through corridors is a poor idea.

Malt expects that there is likely a fuel delivery system to bring pods of fissile material from secure storage to the hangar bay (similar to the belt systems on modern warships to bring shells from storage to the guns). What he's looking for is where in the hangar bay the fuel would arrive, then he's looking to trace the circuits involved to try and locate the storage area. (If it is possible to rig power to the delivery system from the pinnace, that would be ideal).


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Happy thanks giving all


;)

Happy Thanksgiving. :)


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

We probably need a map once inside the airlock to pick a direction.


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Trying to do a map of the interior of the ship is beyond my capacity. We'll be going 'minds eye theater' for this one, much as we did on the other ship. Mostly, I'll describe what you see, you'll tell me what you look for, and make rolls.

Thus far, nobody has actually gone through the air lock.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

What happens if a person in a vaccine suit takes damage in an environment like this?


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Well, in a vaccine suit, they die immediately if they enter it. :P

In a vacuum suit, however, they better be fast at sealing it. The suit auto increases the pressure inside the suit to 61 atmospheres, to compensate, but it can't keep that up long with a leak and then the amonia begins to sneak in and then you die. No saves, no nothing, just die, horribly, painfully. Ammonia poisoning is a really REALLY bad way to go.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Sorry, autocorrect is a dumb and a bad. :P

So the fleshies need to be ready to skedaddle if those guns need any use?

Hear that, meatbags?


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Ammonia

The problem with breathing highly concentrated ammonia gas is that when it mixes with the water in your body (eyes, lungs, mucus membranes) it forms a caustic acid and your lungs, throat, mouth, nose, and eyes, all begin to be eaten by the acid. It's a REALLY nasty way to go. (My father used to work in chemical plants, one of them had a major ammonia leak when someone mis-connected a pipe, three guys died frothing pink stuff out of their mouth and nose that used to be their lungs and throat tissue).


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

Your robo racist remarks aside...you're saying guns are dangerous? :P


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D
mdt wrote:

Ammonia

The problem with breathing highly concentrated ammonia gas is that when it mixes with the water in your body (eyes, lungs, mucus membranes) it forms a caustic acid and your lungs, throat, mouth, nose, and eyes, all begin to be eaten by the acid. It's a REALLY nasty way to go. (My father used to work in chemical plants, one of them had a major ammonia leak when someone mis-connected a pipe, three guys died frothing pink stuff out of their mouth and nose that used to be their lungs and throat tissue).

I had an ex whose flatulence did the exact same thing.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Bite my chromatic [Material Patent Pending] sensor array, not-Darrian!

I'm saying they're even more dangerous. In say, Pathfinder, you take a hit, and cool - in most I stances. In this, there's now a countdown. So fleeing actively is wise, rather than being brave and stronk. :)


Imperial | 67AC98

I worked in a chemical plant for several years. The county gave us all sort of headaches for our chemicals but totally ignored the food warehouse with refrigerated storage with tons of ammonia. Nothing we had would cause a massive loss of life whereas that ammonia was really deadly. If you didn't realize it ammonia is used on an industrial scale as a refrigerant. You may have tons of it next door and never know it.


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Yeah, I try to keep track of any industrial sites that do refrigeration when looking for houses to buy. I don't want to be downwind from an acute leak.


Commonality Droyne - 396CCC[5]

No worries about nothing to do...just the way it worked out :)

As far as rebalancing the air pressure, Malt has no idea what conditions the rest of the group have been in...they've been out of communication. Unless someone actually thinks to transmit conditions once they are back in comm range, it's going to get messy.


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Everyone was talking about it IC while he still had radio contact with them (while Dev was figuring out how to work the portable airlock). So Malt would know.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Which characters will be capable of helping with the Zero G maneuvering?


Darrian 7C7BE5

According to this post Glitch is the only onwith the skill and a vacc suit.

However, Tam may be able to help with her Jack of all Trades 2 but I'm not sure.


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Tam's -1 would cancel out the bonus from her.


Imperial Human F32 (32) I 4A8AD4 (Current: 4A8AD4)

"Guess I'm elected," Jenni says. "But I'd like to make sure this suit isn't going to fail first."


Darrian 7C7BE5

Makes sense.


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Please post in gameplay thanks.


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

*Nudge*


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GM Slammed at work, sorry


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

One thing I'm a little confused on: EAVE has to cling to people who have magnetic boots because of no gravity, and we have to deal with 0-g in the same way, right?

So, what is it about the fission thing that makes it have inertia/traction to worry about in a weightless environment? This is a serious hole in my knowledge of how things work if the weight of the object matters in terms of maneuvering it in a 0-g environment.


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Weight and Mass/Inertia are completely different things.

Mass is a measurement of how much stuff is there. A 1 kg bar of lead has 1 kg of lead in it, even if it's on the moon or the surface of a 200 G collapsed dwarf star. It's confusing because they use kg for both mass and weight.

Inertial Mass is the measurement of how resistant a mass is to changing what it's doing. So, an 11.37 metric ton mass resists moving 11.37 thousand times more than a 1 kg mass. Another way of looking at it is, it's as hard to get a 11.37 MT mass to start moving in zero-g as it is to stop it in zero-g.

Imagine that an asteroid is hurtling toward you in deep space, and you are in a vacuum suit. It is travelling at 1000km/hr when it contacts you. It's mass is 1000 times more than yours, so no matter how hard you punch it, you're not going to send it hurtling away from you. You're going to be smeared across it's front end before you bounce off. It will slow by an amount equal to your force applied when you splat on it (hint, not much).

In the same way, your inertial mass is much less than an asteroids, so when you push on it, you move instead of it, because it takes way less force to overcome your inertia than it does to overcome the asteroid's inertia.

In a gravity field, you have to overcome not only inertia, but the friction generated by the mass being pulled down against the surface of whatever it is sitting on. Or, if you're lifting, you have to overcome the mass & the force gravity exerts.

Remember, Mass is a property, weight is a measurement of gravitational force on a Mass.

Mass


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Neat. It's been well over a decade since I did physic-y things!


Darrian 7C7BE5

My head hurts. You could have just said "because I said so!" It woks on my kids.... sometimes ;)


Imperial Human Male 6B6C74

Excellent explanation mdt. I knew some of the basics, but you laid it out nicely! Now if I could only roll decently so as not to kill our crew members!!!


Imperial Human F32 (32) I 4A8AD4 (Current: 4A8AD4)

Great explanation! Now if only my players would buy real-world science in an RPG, I could run scenarios like this one (which I am really enjoying). Problem is, they would argue me to death on the subject and my physics is too rusty to explain it to them properly.


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

Moving discussion to here...

What about using the Pinnace to power that sections grav plating. Would that be a possibility. Even a tiny amount of gravity would be a tremendous help

Possibilities so far:

Find grav mover equipment
Vent atmo


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Not sure that would help, since while it wouldn't careen out of control in gravity, your group couldn't move 11.37 tons either...


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

True, but I wasn't thinking about ramping it up to a full G


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

With no new recommendations or objections, we should probably look for a cargo loader/unloader, get it working, and move forward from there.


Imperial Human Male 6B6C74

I think that Dev already did that a few pages ago..


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Dev looked but didn't find. You cna continue searching. Note that unless it's a manually operated component, you're not going to be able to get any alien droids you fix to obey you (that whole language barrier/security protocol thing). You'd have to find a loader bot from an Imperial ship in the wreckage field.

Either way, you should probably depressurize the ship to make your lives easier.


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Also note, if you depressurize the ship, you can take extra extra time with the fissionables, instead of just extra time. Basically 3 hours per section, instead of 10 minutes or 30 minutes, and reduce the zero-g checks to Routine.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

But also note that if we want to salvage any sort of specialized circuitry type stuff, we should get it before depressurizing. Otherwise it's just better to depressurize, because our plan hinges on the shell working in a vaccuum anyway.


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

ok, so we'll move forward with bleeding the atmo and finding and using a loader...what do we need to roll


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

I don't think a loader is realistically possible. We lack the time to figure out a completely new language, most likely, which makes programming next to impossible, and we also lack the proper interfaces.

If we're going to vent the atmosphere, we need to decide whether we want to scavenge any other important things first.

How well should Dev hold up without seeing a doctor with proper machines?


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D
EAVE wrote:

I don't think a loader is realistically possible. We lack the time to figure out a completely new language, most likely, which makes programming next to impossible, and we also lack the proper interfaces.

If we're going to vent the atmosphere, we need to decide whether we want to scavenge any other important things first.

How well should Dev hold up without seeing a doctor with proper machines?

It won't hurt to look for a loader, so why not try? I'm sure the GM will let us know if it's a waste of time.

Since no one posted a scavenging preference, I assumed there was none, but we can wait for a few more days to make sure.

When I suggested we go back to the planet for a med bay...

mdt wrote:
That medbay is unusuable, or at least, no better than the two ships you were working on. Other than having power that is. The med bay was not maintained by the colonists after they used up all the materials and the machines broke down. Currently, he's stable, just unconscious. Warren will need to stay with him for now, but you can still do another cycle and go try again to get the fissionables if you like. Warren could cycle everyone through and return to take care of Dev.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Yeah, I was more curious about the long-term, which Warren should probably know. Like, do we officially have a timer for 'we can't waste time getting the ship going, now' that is real and finite, v. the impending doom of the magnanimous deathtops?

For Scavenging, EAVE wants -everything-. Because she likes to hoard things. Tech will be hard to cross the barrier a lot of the time. She'll likely want a couple of the guns no one knows how to use in case she gets a few extra arms... or in case a party member does.

All that I'm really saying there is that if someone -does- want to get something, we should try for that something now, then vent. If no one can think of anything they want, nothing to worry about. :) I think I should probably get a list of things I want EAVE to get (like magnetic feets) and more slots (which likely won't come from here). I'd definitely think bringing the monkies out to scavenge some of their tech just in case might be cool

That being said... maybe it's possible for someone to carry both EAVE and Major and fire that gun properly...

It might also be possible for Jenni to mod it for us.


Imperial Zhodani Female UPP: 49799C-D | UPP current: 49799C-D

making a shopping list is a good idea, and this ship isn't the only store. We just need to get Dev on his feet to facilitate your shopping spree.:)


Darrian 7C7BE5

I think it is a situation of wants vs needs. All Tam wants is a way off this planet and we should focus on getting the equipment we need to fix the ships. As far as I know the reactor is all that we need. Let's vent and get that. Plus we can't risk another pilot or engineer getting hurt, we are only a few injuries away from not being able to leave.... ever.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

Says you. As long as EAVE is careful, she can wait it out. Who's to say you're her first crew..? :3


Imperial | 67AC98

Have either of the species found on board been heard of before? If not Warren is going to want some samples at the very least and full bodies if possible.


Imperial Human F32 (32) I 4A8AD4 (Current: 4A8AD4)

I agree with Tam; leaving is of the essence. At the same time, Scandalous makes a valid point. Why not look for a loader that we might be able to use? We can't afford another injury, much less a death, which is a real possibility.


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If your high priority is the fissionables, then venting the ship for a day or so to release the atmosphere will make it much easier (down to a routine) to maneuver it out. THe bodies will be destroyed of course.

Warren can get samples, but if he wants actual bodies, he'll have to find something that can hold the pressure to store them in before venting.


Bestbot/Darrian 8G5D76/8G5975

It actually makes a lot of sense that they would have that sort of tool available to them, both in having suits that are a lot better than ours at maintaining pressure - would we be able to modify one of their suits for malt? - and having tools for storing things at higher pressures during null-atmosphere. We'd very likely be able to find the latter somewhere in their ship, probably in a storage area?

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