Desna's Chosen
Game Master MythrilDragon

No at all, dude! I just didn't realize that's the one you were going at. I looked at your attack and figured it was one of the three that were surrounding you. That's my bad.

Like I said, my real life perception cost me. (That and not reading your post entirely, didn't help.) :P

Lulz at the early morning post comment, DM. I bet half of the first posts I make in a day have some sort of error in them. It's a true comedy of erorrs as I look back at them later in the day...

My last posts of the night are more likely to be the ones I regret, when I get loopy from fatigue. :)

Dang, Eponine! You got a straight roll on damage, and you're throwing out 9's and 10's! That's just freaking awesome.

Psst! Please roll for me. Thank you. Oh! Don't tell Mythril. Thanks.

I heard that!

Doh!

Psst! Please roll for me. Thank you. Oh! Don't tell Mythril. Thanks.

Dude, he's right there!

I see you pointing!

Doh! *panics* Look! Over there! *Turns and runs*

OOHHH Shiny!

Kern is the destroyer of worlds, man! My gosh! Every hit = instant death.

That's a bad dude right there.

Crit to the left of me,
crit to the right me,
here a crit,
there a crit,
everywhere a crit-crit,
Kern the destroyer keeps on crittin',
and everything just dies! ;)

Kern is the destroyer of worlds, man! My gosh! Every hit = instant death.

That's a bad dude right there.

Crit to the left of me,
crit to the right me,
here a crit,
there a crit,
everywhere a crit-crit,
Kern the destroyer keeps on crittin',
and everything just dies! ;)

Note to self..

*reaches for bestiary, flips looking for larger CR*

Lol!

Not that I don't enjoy seeing him on fire, but isn't Belril's touch AC 14? He takes splash damage, but I don't think that's a direct hit....

EDIT: .... although, where's the -7 to hit coming from? " Thrown splash weapons require no weapon proficiency, so you don't take the –4 nonproficiency penalty." Might be a direct hit anyway.

Javell DeLeon wrote:

Kern is the destroyer of worlds, man! My gosh! Every hit = instant death.

That's a bad dude right there.

Crit to the left of me,
crit to the right me,
here a crit,
there a crit,
everywhere a crit-crit,
Kern the destroyer keeps on crittin',
and everything just dies! ;)

Note to self..

*reaches for bestiary, flips looking for larger CR*

Bring it on!

Its a direct hit by virtue of being a natural 20. DM's are always pulling out nat 20's when they can't hit me :(

Oh. Duh. I guess I didn't notice since he didn't roll to confirm. Can you crit with a splash weapon?

"Catching on Fire"

Characters exposed to burning oil, bonfires, and non-instantaneous magic fires might find their clothes, hair, or equipment on fire. Spells with an instantaneous duration don't normally set a character on fire, since the heat and flame from these come and go in a flash.

Characters at risk of catching fire are allowed a DC 15 Reflex save to avoid this fate. If a character's clothes or hair catch fire, he takes 1d6 points of damage immediately. In each subsequent round, the burning character must make another Reflex saving throw. Failure means he takes another 1d6 points of damage that round. Success means that the fire has gone out—that is, once he succeeds on his saving throw, he's no longer on fire.

So, although I take whatever damage the original fire damage did, Belril shouldn't catch fire unless he fails the reflex save...

If you are on fire, I was taught to stop, drop, and roll, lol...

Right off the edge of the cliff? There is a bunch of water that would probably put out the flames about 80 feet down. ;)

Seeing as burning oils pretty much specifically called out in the rule I quoted, i'm fairly sure a roll off the cliff won't be necessary.

Alchemist's Fire: You can throw a flask of alchemist's fire as a splash weapon. Treat this attack as a ranged touch attack with a range increment of 10 feet.

A direct hit deals 1d6 points of fire damage. Every creature within 5 feet of the point where the flask hits takes 1 point of fire damage from the splash. On the round following a direct hit, the target takes an additional 1d6 points of damage. If desired, the target can use a full-round action to attempt to extinguish the flames before taking this additional damage. Extinguishing the flames requires a DC 15 Reflex save. Rolling on the ground provides the target a +2 bonus on the save. Leaping into a lake or magically extinguishing the flames automatically smothers the fire.

I noted the ON FIRE to be clear to you that there will be another round of damage unless something is done to avoid that like attempting to put out the flames. Sorry if that confused you into thinking you were catching on fire. The (-7) comes from firing into combat (-4) and range which should be at (-2) with a BA: +1 that would be -5. I think I must have applied a (-4) for the range by mistake, but I am going to leave it and give him a (-2) pumpkins are slippery modifier. The natural 20 always hits, but I didn't roll a critical check since the modified roll wouldn't have hit. IMO only rolls that would have hit the target AC should qualify for a critical.

Alchemists Fire is an exception to the "Catching on Fire" rule I directly quoted above- but a pumpkin isn't an alchemists fire. Without failing a DC15 reflex save, Belril shouldn't be on fire at all according to RAW.

"Characters at risk of catching fire are allowed a DC 15 Reflex save to avoid this fate" - the way you've interpreted it i've auto-failed the chance to avoid the fate of being on fire and i'm going to be forced to spend an action to deal with being on fire; which it seems very clear by the rules I shouldn't have to do.

I can see the rules you quoted and i'm fully aware of them. A pumpkin full of burning oil however, is not an alchemists fire- and falls into the 'Catching on Fire' rules I have already quoted for you above.

If your merely arguing for Belril to take extra damage without an action to negate it, I again posit that is an alchemists fire special.

Perhaps he's refluffed alchemist's fire? Goblins make alchemist's fire in pumpkins instead of in ... whatever alchemist's fire is normally contained in? Honestly, I've never been entirely clear on what alchemist's fire actually is, except something you can throw. I guess it's purposefully vague for the tie-in with the supposedly-lost formula of Greek fire?

By the rules this is Alchemist's Fire, I have just described it in the narrative of the thread as a pumpkin filled with sticky oil. Flask or burning gourd, which looks cooler being tossed over the stockade wall by a goblin?

It is Spider-man esque, isn't it. :)

Looks like you edited your post while I was posting mine. I am not just trying to force damage onto your charter, I think I have been very fair about all the rules, and made adjustments in favor of the players when I have made errors. I decided before the combat that on the east wall the goblins there had three alchemist fire and thought it would be cool to describe them as flaming pumpkins...just a Role Play thing for me. Sorry if that has confused you...I will try to remember to note in and OCC line when I am "dressing" up things for flavor.

Very well then- it was just specifically the burning oil malarchy in the rules text I was quoting that seemed to fit the situation.

In light of this I will make my IC post, ignoring the flames like a boss...

As I read it again I can see why you would question it and ask for me to follow those rules. If I hadn't already been operating using the Alchemist Fire rules and I was just mistaken on the rule I would have redacted and adjusted the post. So please feel free to question anything like that if the future. I have changed posts in the past when I have been in error of the rules, which I tend to do sometimes rushing or just not knowing the Pathfinder as well as older editions of the game, and house rules my home game has used for years. One of the down sides of playing DND with some of the same people for almost 30 years is you get stuck in House Rule's are the RAW mode and they are not always. One of the things I like about the PBP is I am learning a lot about the game I didn't know, or had forgotten, when situations like this come up. So even though this time I am going to keep it as is, please don't hesitate to question anything in the future since if I am wrong I will change it. I am more interested in telling a cool story than killing off PC's.

AND THAT IS AWESOME...take the damage and stay burning to attack the enemy because you have the fearless class feature!! BONUS XP FOR THAT!

One of the things I like about the PBP is I am learning a lot about the game I didn't know, or had forgotten, when situations like this come up. So even though this time I am going to keep it as is, please don't hesitate to question anything in the future since if I am wrong I will change it. I am more interested in telling a cool story than killing off PC's.

Appreciated and noted- and yeah, PbP is great for rules fu. Don't worry i'll always pipe up, i'm annoying to DM for like that :P.

Yeah, Mythril likes to reward characters for doing stupid/brave things. Early on, Victor got kudos for leaping off a balcony without asking how high it was.... ;)

It is Spider-man esque, isn't it. :)

Especially if the goblin in question is green.

It is Spider-man esque, isn't it. :)

DOH! I wasn't even thinking about Spider-man or the Green Goblin. I just thought if Paizo Goblins had Greek Fire...what would they put it in?

Well that just makes it flat out funny! :D

This is what the goblins are singing to Belril. (Just replace baby with Belril) ;)

And Belril responds with this!

You know its fancy foot work like the Trammps are using that gives Belril that high AC :P

HA! HA! HA! So true! So true. :)

Be careful, Mythril, it's possible that this may be what you created! Uh-huh! See what you done did? It's on now! Score one for the good guys! Bring out the baddies, cuz we ain't skeered! ;)

Be careful, Mythril, it's possible that this may be what you created! Uh-huh! See what you done did? It's on now! Score one for the good guys! Bring out the baddies, cuz we ain't skeered! ;)

Are you kidding? A small sized humanoid apparently oblivious to being engulfed in flames? We'll be lucky if they don't end up worshipping him like C-3PO with the Ewoks. Then, there would just be no living with him....

Haters gunna hate. Lions are always mocked and hounded by jackals ;).

You can tell Wren is in a good mood. She almost was able to give Victor a compliment. LOL.

You can tell Wren is in a good mood. She almost was able to give Victor a compliment. LOL.

That's not going to last.

Gerald wrote:

You can tell Wren is in a good mood. She almost was able to give Victor a compliment. LOL.

That's not going to last.

Lol to all of it! It's like, Mythril knows Wren, or something. ;)

Lol. Yah, Wren's not happy, trying to save the day, and there still being all those goblins over there not dealt with yet.

And awesome called shot, Victor! That was smooth. D20s finally starting to go his way!

Lol! Yeah, it's about time the dice roller started being a bit kinder to me. ;)

Eponine wrote:

Wren, thanks! Floating my blade up to me like that was perfect timing!

Sophy is glad to be away from the group and half-hidden in the shrubbery, as a deep blush creeps up her face. Had it been Wren doing that? Had she been foolish to think she could control the spirits haunting her? The image of her standing on the bridge concentrating so hard on doing nothing at all fills her with embarrassment.

So glad I could do my part to contribute to Sophy's soul-gnawing insecurities! ;)

FYI This weekend I was supposed to be out of town, but instead company came into town. Either way my time is going to be stretched this weekend especially since I have an exegesis paper due on Monday. I may not be able to update again til Monday. Have a great weekend.

I would start the paper somethign like this.

Exegesis is a word. A strange word. A word I didn't know the definition for until I looked on Wikipedia...and just let it flow from there.

I would start the paper somethign like this.

Exegesis is a word. A strange word. A word I didn't know the definition for until I looked on Wikipedia...and just let it flow from there.

Raises hand, "I second that." Lowers hand back down. :)

(By the way, I'm a HUGE fan of dictionary.com. HUGE.)

Calling the oracle's bluff, Wren casts Detect Magic, making sure Sophy isn't holding out on her.

With this level of trust and cooperation within the party itself, who needs goblins? Love that Wren is seriously planning to stand there and concentrate on detect magic for three rounds just to prove Sophy wrong! :D

Hey, Belril trusts you all... Just not your competence and willingness to push on without him.

Under his trusty leadership, he thinks we'll go far ;).

LOL, I love this game. Everyone in it is broken, slightly.

Raises hand, "I second that!" Lowers hand back down.

Let's see...

Wren's cranky.
Sophy's a freak.
Victor's a headcase.
Eponine is, well, Eponine. (That, in and of itself, is 'nuff said)
Belril is delusional.

And Kern? Well, he's apparently perfect. Nothing wrong with Mr. Perfect is there? Is there, MR. PERFECT?! Always smiling and nice. Proper and polite. *spits on the ground at the thought*

Whatever.

:)